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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein so Chris O'Brien is not only

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on special assignment he's actually on a

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lecture tour in California so we hope he

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does well and we wish him the best on

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that I think he's trying to book a

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national tour or something so if that

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happens you may have Chris O'Brien

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coming into a city or a UFO group near

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you we'll try to get the information out

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as soon as we can we have invited our

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old friend Greg Bishop whom I regard is

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kind of a cutting-edge theorist because

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he tries to look at the responses of the

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questions we don't ask or ask the

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questions that we fail to ask and so

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we'll be talking to him today and a

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little bit later when may have a

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surprise extra guest we'll see what

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happens in the meantime Greg welcome

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back it's only a few weeks since we

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talked to you last for an after the

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power cast okay I think so because I

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don't look at the forms as much as I

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used to usually when I'm on of course go

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look because I want to see what people

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are saying and what the discussions are

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nobody's ever nasty people are at least

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so I see pretty pretty civilized it's

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one of the more civilized forums out

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there we get a few but we do have some

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volunteer moderators such as Mike Jones

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and we watch it carefully if it starts

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getting a little bit too excessive we'll

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pull the plug okay so let me get ringers

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in there people who try to impersonate

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other people or just want to come in and

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troll for trouble but thank heavens as

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you say we don't see a lot of that going

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on the discussion is getting the most

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play right now and I wanted to see what

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you think about it one is about the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis we had a

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couple of episodes featuring listeners

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people from the forums talking about it

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and obviously it's pro and con our UFOs

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extraterrestrial or is there some other

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cause or a combo I think though it kind

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of gets a little tiresome because you're

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basically going back and forth on

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something you can't prove what's your

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perception that's my perception not even

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joking yeah that is my perception but

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the thing is that I don't know what this

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thing is where people have to take aside

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it's like well it's it is it isn't it's

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like I don't I don't know if anybody I

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looked it a little bit there were very

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intelligent arguments I mean I was I was

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kind of impressed but the thing is that

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it's but you said you can't prove

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anything so you know why take a drink

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take a strong stance accept as a what

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thought experiment or mental exercise

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what can we wring out of this to see

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what what the best arguments are and

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there's some really good ones for the

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ETH and there's some really good ones

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against the only reason I've been I

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don't know I guess I'm perceived as

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somebody that's against it I'm just not

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interested in it it's not has nothing to

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do with being against it it's more

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interesting to meet it to look at other

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perspectives that have been around

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forever it's just that we're you know I

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like people that are trying to push

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things into new areas because as you

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said you can't prove anything so let's

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let's explore this and you'll find

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things out along the way that have

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nothing to do with UFOs and have a lot

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more to do with what who we are and how

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we think about things and how we discuss

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things and how we perceive things and

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remember them and talk about them and

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recount them and all that that to me is

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more far more interesting then is it ETH

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or is it not well maybe the reason why

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we think it's ETH and a lot of that is

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our culture we live in the sci-fi

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culture we see movies TV shows about

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life and outer space so we assume well

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if there's life out there maybe they are

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coming here that's where it fits because

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that's how we're oriented if we were

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oriented towards leprechauns as we might

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have been some time back then we'd be

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looking for leprechauns yeah that's the

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whatever it is double a hypothesis at

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least he's the one that popularized it

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we're trapped by our culture our

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language and those are the two main ones

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and and then everything you know

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cascades from that how we argue about

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things how we deduce things so you know

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if you've only got a hammer and a nail

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using it see hammers and nails you're

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not going to see pencils and wrenches

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and paintbrushes and all the other

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things that might be sitting around and

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I see vague ways to use those other

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tools and that's why I'm interested in

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those things I also think here that if

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we were really being visited by a

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civilization that's hundreds or

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thousands of years ahead of us would we

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even recognize it for what it was

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because right now it's hard to conceive

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looking at our technology unless you're

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a little bit older and you've seen where

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things have gone and where they started

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when I was building crystal radios when

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I was twelve years old or simple tube

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radios I didn't think about the iPhone

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and the things they could do I'd see

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that in my lifetime worried more

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advanced than some Star Trek

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technologies such as tricorders and

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communicators so the thing here is we

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see something that meets our

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expectations but if et is really here I

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still wonder would we even recognize

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that technology could they just come

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here in a flash we don't know we don't

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know what we're going to discover 50

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years from now 10,000 years from now you

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know stargates will they just be pure

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energy have evolved into some kind of

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pure energy will they be like the Q

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continuum where they can just appear

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where they want to they don't have to do

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pedestrian space travel stuff right yeah

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you only see what you've been

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conditioned to see it's and yeah like

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you said it's it's what you you don't

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even know about that you can't see that

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you know there's that old story of the

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certain indigenous cultures not being

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able to see ships when they came from

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from Europe and I don't know if that's

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exactly true but I think they saw them

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from to my mind they saw them they just

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didn't really have a word for them

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except for maybe a really big thing that

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floats on the water with with lots of

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people coming in animals and things

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coming out of them it's not that they

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couldn't conceptualize it they just

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couldn't they couldn't describe it they

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just couldn't describe it in language

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that made any you know that had any

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relationship to the culture they came

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from they probably couldn't even

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describe them to each other really that

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well until they got used to it even on

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the simplest level finding a landmark or

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something you may not see it but the

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person next to you having been there

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well the example I always cite here is

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on one of my uber rides I have a

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passenger and they say okay the

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restaurant I'm going to work it's right

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Firestone sign just up ahead on the left

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and I look I don't see it immediately

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because it's kind of covered by trees

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but they've been there 10,000 times they

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notice it I won't really notice it until

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maybe the navigation system where the

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passenger says make a left turn here and

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I say oh there's the sign for Firestone

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and there's the restaurant because I'm

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not trained to recognize it because I've

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never been there before

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now imagine something more elaborate

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like seeing a ship or seeing a

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spacecraft or seeing an airplane if you

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have nothing like that in your

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background no frame of reference what do

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you call it yeah well your brain screams

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over to the most familiar thing or thing

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that makes most sense to you or makes

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you feel the best about it that's that

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that is a that's a scientific fact but

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there's a lot of research that points

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very definitely to that if you see

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something unfamiliar what do you do you

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have to be able to handle it somehow is

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it gonna kill you can you eat it you

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know what you your brain starts going

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very quickly I think subconsciously

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through your files and saying what is

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this and if yeah you know if there's

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nothing there that matches it it'll

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it'll put a placeholder in there and

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then you perceive it as that thing and I

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think that's very important when

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considering witness testimony for

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anomalous experience it's and that's

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original idea to me but I think it's an

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important and interesting one the

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problem here that I see in an existing

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UFO research is we look at those things

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as external occurrences it's the same

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thing as I'm looking at a all-in-one

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printer across the room or you're

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familiar with seeing airplanes you see

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them all the time perhaps maybe you live

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near an airport on a rare occasion you

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see a helicopter you certainly see cars

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so we treat them as those external

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things you're not part of the process

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but that of course may be the huge

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mistake we have Greg Bishop here and we

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folks that et isn't here we're not

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saying that UFOs are not

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extraterrestrial we're pointing out here

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that we are limited in what we see to

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something with which we can compare it

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and as a result we can have a phenomenon

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totally alien to our understanding but

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we may never see it for what it is again

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would we recognize the technology of

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hundreds or thousands of years from now

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if there is an et we can only think in

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terms we know even if we look at the

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Star Trek universe a lot of things in

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there we've already worked on you know

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we already used tablets like they did

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the Star Trek next generation scientists

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are looking into warp-drive

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matter transportation so maybe in 50 or

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100 years we'll have all that but what's

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going to happen to a civilization

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hundreds of years from now or another

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theory voiced which is interesting is

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that once they find a technology that

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works the money makers in that

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civilization assuming there's a money

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system may just want to monetize it and

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not go to the next level like for

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example we have the internal combustion

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engine has been around since what the

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late 19th century and we still make them

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with

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lots of fluff and lots of improvements

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but at the end of the day the basic

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principles are the same and the reason

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we continue to do it is because it's

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profitable people are accustomed to it

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and only now are we looking at things

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like electric vehicles but even then

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they're designed to very much mimic a

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regular car they will drive mostly like

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a regular car even though the propulsion

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system is very different right because

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that's what people are used to why do we

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have to be used to something that's

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outside of our experience we should you

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know like I say look look at things that

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that are outside of the comfort zone

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that are kind of confusing that

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challenge your preconceptions I'm always

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looking for those things I love those

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things visit because it means that

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there's some novelty still available and

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there's tons of it that's you know

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people ask I think I just said this but

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people ask me you know why you're

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getting C ETH s the only reason I'm

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against it's because it's boring to me

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cuz that's all I've seen all my life I

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don't know why people you know well I do

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know why people just want to stick with

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it because it's it doesn't challenge

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them Bruce do insane ones that once said

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that people don't like things that are

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too too different or too complex and

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that's often how things are moved

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forward now the thing I wanted to bring

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up which I kind of didn't finish and I

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should have is the reason I brought up

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familiar technology is that may well be

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will reach a point where we invent

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something and we're going to milk it for

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what it's worth before we go on through

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new technology so it could be that some

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extraterrestrial civilization designs a

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rapid way to get from one star system to

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another a warp drive will they look for

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something even better

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or will they say okay we're going to

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monetize this we're going to use it as

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long as we have to and then maybe

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kicking and screaming we'll go into

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maybe so but also what we're doing here

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is extrapolating our motivations onto

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some

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thing that we have no idea about I guess

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that's all we can do but it once it gets

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to that point I think that if we are

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using our own model on our own

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civilization if it gets to the point

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where energy is essentially available to

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anybody at all the time free energy in

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other words which is I think what every

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civilization moves towards at least

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that's what ours is I don't know how

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it'll be easy to monetize that there

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will have to be a completely different

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system of civilization and all that

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before that happens and who knows you

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know the capitalist system or whatever

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other systems interact with each other

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on this planet will collapse and be

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replaced by other things probably you

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know in the next couple hundred years

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maybe maybe before that so we have no

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idea but your point is valid and and and

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well taken

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now just to point out here we may

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actually have a guest here who's going

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to look at a realistic approach to

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whether we'll discover life on other

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planets and it's a mainstream scientist

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okay by the name of JC Farris and he's

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gonna look at what science knows today

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like what environmental conditions are

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favorable for life and other planets

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what evidence might suggest intelligent

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life exists elsewhere you know talking

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about earth-like conditions earth-like

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planets things like that just the normal

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conventional scientific point of view

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anyway it's good to know what we really

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can demonstrate in terms of knowledge or

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anticipation of what might involve life

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and outer space now one of the things we

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use to advance the claim that UFOs are

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et is that the craft appears to do

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things that are beyond our ability to do

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in terms of maneuverability pinpoint

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turns things like that that seem to

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violate our current understanding of how

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airplanes can work but again we're back

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to the same thing are you seeing

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something that's physically there or is

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your mind filling in the details

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what is really there is it a spaceship a

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physical spaceship and you assume again

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that what you see is what you get that's

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the big thing here are we seeing what's

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really there and once you cross that

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threshold there are lots of

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possibilities yeah

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that's the kind of the point of the

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co-creation thing is if we can figure

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out how the instrument is calibrated us

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or how to calibrate it or what what its

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limitations are maybe we can figure out

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sort of do it run around what the you

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know get out of our own way and see what

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might be behind what people perceive I

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don't know if that's even possible but I

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think it's a first step let's just

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figure out how we do things how we think

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about things how the human mind works

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hopefully across cultures and times and

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figure out you know okay this is how

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that you know take them take the Machine

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apart see how it works and then figure

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out what the Machine can and cannot do

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and maybe that'll be a clue as to what

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happens when somebody has an anomalous

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experience there is a good book about

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life on other planets or possible life

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on other planets called weird life by

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David to me some title is the search for

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life that is very very different from

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our own

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and what he does is he uses examples of

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extremophiles you know living creatures

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that live in cyanide pools are near

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geothermal vents under the ocean you

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know thousands of feet under the ocean

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different environments that are

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extremely inhospitable to life as we

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know it but yet life still exists there

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and uses that as kind of a clue as to

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what kind of life we would expect in

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other places or you know we could not

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expect well we have to expand our ideas

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of what what are the conditions what the

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conditions for life could be I think

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when you have your scientists on there

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he'll probably explain it a lot better

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the thing to bear in mind here is -

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we're still only seeing things in the

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way we

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understand I know Star Trek would

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explore other kinds of life forms like

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the Horta which was kind of a moving

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rock type creature that still had a

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civilization still had some level of

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intelligence before we get too much into

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rock beings we've got more to come with

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I think that's et is coming here and

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after we finish this but I am fully

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we're talking here about what we think

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about UFOs and other phenomena what we

667
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think they are and what they might be

668
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and as you recall in the movie contact

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where Jodie Foster meets supposedly ET

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coming to her in the form of her late

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father and it says to her I'm doing this

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so you can accept my appearance so the

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thing I would wonder here is even if we

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are seeing UFOs in the form in which

675
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it's presented to us

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does eat he alter that form to make it

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acceptable or whatever we are

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communicating with that's one of the

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things in my essay in the reframing the

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debate I said how much do we bring to

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the dance is it you know is it a little

682
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bit a lot I said it could be anywhere

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from zero percent to close to a hundred

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percent so if you're getting closer to a

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hundred percent you don't have to posit

686
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that the et is doing anything it's just

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us trying to figure out what the hell it

688
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is and settling on some idea or you

689
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could go all the way to the other end

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and if you're talking about a mind

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control a scenario and say that they

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engineered completely what our awareness

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is I don't know where things are on that

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spectrum I have a feeling it's closer to

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the to the we're doing most of the

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appearance and communication and all

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that stuff with something that is

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hard to conceptualize and I don't know

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00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:38,150
what that thing is I wrote an essay one

700
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time that whatever it is that we see

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00:29:44,530 --> 00:29:42,740
might be just going on its merry way

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doing whatever the hell it does like

703
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wind and waves and the way we interact

704
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:50,150
with it is what the meaning is like a if

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00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:53,330
you get out on the ocean a swimmer sees

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does something different than a sailor

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who sees something different than an

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aviator who sees something different

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than a fish so but the sea is just doing

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its thing it's just it just exists so

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I've tried to use that model to

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illustrate that we can mold whatever

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this unknown thing is into whatever we

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find acceptable useful educational

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frightening whatever it might be

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00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,090
we're molding it again eat into what we

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want to see and that's the argument I

718
00:30:30,550 --> 00:30:27,620
think the people who push for a tea

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can't get around they're assuming

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whatever we see is all or mostly what's

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there and therefore we have to think

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about what it is based on its behavior

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and what it comes across as but we're

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not looking again at the co-creation

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process the recipients participation in

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00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:50,600
what we see but a lot of that also goes

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:53,810
into UFO abductions you know we think

728
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that et is kidnapped us maybe we're

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taken out of our rooms or bedrooms and

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we go through walls and then of course

731
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our friend our mutual friend red pill

732
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junky had written that piece for my

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newsletter something he's talked about

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were near-death experiences and

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abduction scenarios have this similarity

736
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this is something that abduction

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researchers can't get their heads around

738
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no because they want to see things

739
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literally and when they come into

740
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:23,630
abduction research there's already a

741
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:27,410
corpus of work ideas philosophy that's

742
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there and they just glom on to it not

743
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:32,870
realizing that it's been created by

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people that have been studying it from

745
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the very beginning now I speak to you

746
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know Peter Robbins I had him on the show

747
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years ago he's I think I'll have lon

748
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:41,900
here again pretty soon so I talked to

749
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him I show in a while but I said to him

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you know

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can't see the connection between Ichi

752
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:50,490
and the abduction scenario or think that

753
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:51,929
people are being taken out of their beds

754
00:31:56,270 --> 00:31:54,330
by literal aliens that are interested in

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00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:56,280
them for whatever it just it just

756
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:58,020
doesn't seem it doesn't make any sense

757
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to me or I don't want it to make sense

758
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:02,880
or whatever and he told me well I can

759
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:04,830
see why you're saying that because Peter

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has a sense of equity which is rare in

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00:32:11,150 --> 00:32:08,610
the UFO field I can see why you're

762
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:11,160
saying that but all the years I spent

763
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:13,410
with Budd Hopkins all the years and all

764
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:14,850
the people I talked in all the things

765
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:17,460
that happen this is what my idea is and

766
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:19,650
I told him you know if I had gone

767
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:21,510
through what you had I might feel the

768
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:24,450
same way so I can't tell him that he's

769
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:27,419
wrong I wonder more than he does

770
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:30,419
maybe I'm my distance from it actually

771
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:31,380
helps a little bit

772
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:34,410
I don't reject people's experiences or

773
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:38,130
what these people have looked at I don't

774
00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:39,720
know about their methodology that kind

775
00:32:44,539 --> 00:32:42,390
of bothers me a little bit but like I

776
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:44,549
said once again it's a lot more

777
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:47,309
interesting to me to look into what

778
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,940
might be contributing to our perceptions

779
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:52,500
because perception is everything

780
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:55,049
even even using scientific instruments

781
00:32:59,030 --> 00:32:56,910
they're extensions of our perception so

782
00:33:03,430 --> 00:32:59,040
you're only going to measure in a lot of

783
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,440
cases what you're a very finely tuned

784
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:05,700
model of what you know a human

785
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:08,460
perception is and those devices are

786
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:11,460
designed to extend what we accept as

787
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:13,620
perception they're not looking into

788
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:16,010
things that we don't understand yet

789
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:18,179
they're not looking at until physical

790
00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:22,710
manifestations of the brain wave that is

791
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,590
projected or comes to us as a result of

792
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:27,480
having one of these experiences be nice

793
00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:30,510
to see if they could do that but it

794
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:32,309
never seems to kind of work out it'd be

795
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:33,990
interesting to see what is really

796
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:36,299
happening in the environment in which

797
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:38,010
someone is undergoing an abduction

798
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:40,620
experience are they the same as a person

799
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:42,630
with a near-death experience in that

800
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:46,679
they are in some state but physically

801
00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:50,700
still there yeah I think as a result of

802
00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:53,190
the last few last month or so here I

803
00:33:58,980 --> 00:33:56,280
think that nobody's really noticing this

804
00:34:01,440 --> 00:33:58,990
but there's a lot of people who are

805
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:01,450
are more versed in these things and a

806
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:03,190
lot smarter than you and I and a lot of

807
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:05,920
people we know are and they are going to

808
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:07,660
start studying it in ways that we've

809
00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:10,810
never even thought of yet and they're

810
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,429
gonna come up with stuff that makes no

811
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:14,560
sense to you follow gist and ufology

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00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:17,050
will probably become even more of a

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hobby and a you know more akin to stamp

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collecting than than some some kind of

815
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actual scientific pursuit and scientists

816
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:27,970
and people who are trained in this and

817
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:31,060
people who are you know not just

818
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scientists but academics historians all

819
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these people that were afraid of the

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subject are going to start looking at it

821
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and you know bringing their thoughts and

822
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:41,409
their tools to bear on it and I think

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that will change things quite a bit I

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think it's already happening a little

825
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bit

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I hear glimmers here and there academia

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sort of taking the subject more

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seriously now at least quietly whereas

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before they would outright reject it so

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like I said you know this is something

831
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I've been saying for a long time my

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science will change to meet the

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phenomenon and at that point you follow

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gee as a as what is what it has been

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will be irrelevant or mostly irrelevant

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right now I think it's almost on the

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backburner for most people oh that's

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interesting think of the reaction to the

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recent appearances on the cable TV shows

840
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of people involved in the to the Stars

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Academy or other fellow travelers like

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the other week I saw Leslie Kane on

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Tucker Carlson's TV show and that's a

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pretty fiery conservative oriented

845
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program but when Leslie was on he was

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totally straight totally down the middle

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and in fact seemed impressed by what she

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offered and the main case she talked

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about was so hair yeah it's fashionable

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not to make fun of UFOs right now at

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least in the media and you know that's

852
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fine the thing is I think what's going

853
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on yeah they'll take it seriously for a

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while and the reason that people don't

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really think it's that big of a deal is

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one I think more people believe in UFOs

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or the reality of that and aliens and

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all that

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as a cultural thing then people realize

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especially people that UFO committee you

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think you know we know this thing and

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most people though I don't know I think

863
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I think a vast majority of the public is

864
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kind of convinced that there's something

865
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going on and it must be true because the

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government's covering it up and not

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believing the government or expecting a

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government conspiracy you know is is

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very common in this day and age we've

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got Greg Bishop and Jean Steinberg

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you're in I do it every time

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say the power cast how about that you

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never hear me do it no that's right we

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have to try that maybe we'll try it out

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at the end of this segment we're just

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talking shop here about different issues

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that confront us but as you pointed out

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here I think UFOs in a sense are just

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two levels of that background noise

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right now as you mentioned that I was

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thinking well how does it affect most

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people's lives it doesn't if it has no

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direct bearing on raising your kids

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getting you know trying to pay the bills

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and the rent and whatever the hell it's

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00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,319
not really that important except as kind

999
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:54,880
of an abstract concept and a fun thing

1000
00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:58,450
to talk about even if there's a burble

1001
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:00,190
from the Pentagon saying oh yeah we did

1002
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:02,170
study it for a while well I think most

1003
00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:03,609
people already assumed they were doing

1004
00:42:08,339 --> 00:42:04,750
that so it wasn't that big of a

1005
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:08,349
revelation the change was that media

1006
00:42:13,170 --> 00:42:10,930
especially and to some extent science

1007
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and academia I think are ever so

1008
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:14,770
slightly coming out of the closet and

1009
00:42:20,099 --> 00:42:17,470
looking at a little bit more seriously

1010
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:20,109
which is a great thing the other thing

1011
00:42:25,470 --> 00:42:22,690
about it is I think most of the work on

1012
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:25,480
it is going to be done fairly quietly

1013
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:27,369
and and not out in the open until

1014
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:29,410
somebody finds something out I mean the

1015
00:42:33,569 --> 00:42:31,270
point of DeLong's group one of their

1016
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:33,579
stated points is to monetize whatever

1017
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:35,890
they can find out from this so you know

1018
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:38,170
I don't think that necessarily means et

1019
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:40,390
and all that I think it may mean more

1020
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:42,010
like and they've been very careful not

1021
00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:44,290
to say alien or extraterrestrial

1022
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,109
we're very interesting but the upshot is

1023
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,640
I think that people are going to do this

1024
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:50,319
research they're going to do it you know

1025
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:52,990
in the shadows quietly but with the

1026
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:54,609
assurance that less people are going to

1027
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:56,290
laugh at them and more people with money

1028
00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:58,090
and power are going to take

1029
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:01,540
notice when I had Diana pisanka on my

1030
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:03,640
show she said that it's getting to the

1031
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:05,470
point where the smartest people in the

1032
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:08,350
room believed this stuff and the people

1033
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:10,420
are starting to recognize that which is

1034
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:12,130
a very encouraging thing for me to hear

1035
00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:14,350
it said you know 10 15 years 20 years

1036
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:15,340
ago that would have sounded totally

1037
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:17,980
insane but I think it was true 10 or 15

1038
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:19,480
or 20 years ago just we didn't hear

1039
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:21,850
about it well the way this came out I

1040
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think was really really handled properly

1041
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:28,210
because it came from the New York Times

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it came from respectable publications

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and therefore because those stories

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treated the subject with respect you had

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to treat it with respect and we didn't

1046
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hear about little green men from the

1047
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:43,390
cable TV talking hits so I really came

1048
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:46,570
in a nice way but remember where some of

1049
00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:49,420
this was a press release article

1050
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:53,080
basically right and remember where this

1051
00:43:58,500 --> 00:43:55,180
kind of started this serious discussion

1052
00:44:00,240 --> 00:43:58,510
we had Hillary Clinton while running for

1053
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:00,250
president freely says yeah we should

1054
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:03,550
look into this thing obviously the

1055
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:06,070
influence of John Podesta but whatever

1056
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,930
she took it perfectly seriously and

1057
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:12,240
nobody that I know from the Trump

1058
00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:14,920
campaign all the things they said about

1059
00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:16,840
her demonizing her they never said oh

1060
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:20,020
she's a loony she believes in UFOs maybe

1061
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:21,930
that's an indication that like I said

1062
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:23,860
for quite a long time

1063
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:28,990
people who pull the strings have known

1064
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:30,700
about this and taken it seriously they

1065
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:32,350
just don't make a big public deal out of

1066
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:36,010
it usually you know maybe maybe Clinton

1067
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:38,740
and some extent some other Podesta and

1068
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:40,630
some other people were trying to do the

1069
00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:43,210
same thing that the New York Times

1070
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:46,120
article did I I do not know I think it's

1071
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:49,570
basically it's a way to push it's a way

1072
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:51,190
to push our understanding forward

1073
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:52,840
whether you know whether you include an

1074
00:45:00,120 --> 00:44:55,990
ET or an alien in this or UFO's in the

1075
00:45:02,180 --> 00:45:00,130
mix the fact that you can no longer

1076
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:02,190
ignore things that are fairly obvious

1077
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:04,330
people see things that they can't

1078
00:45:09,350 --> 00:45:06,730
explain people have psychic experiences

1079
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,360
people can you know throw their cards

1080
00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:11,940
is somewhere and that this this has been

1081
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:13,830
you know there are such skeptical

1082
00:45:18,350 --> 00:45:15,030
friends of mine that don't think this at

1083
00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:18,360
all but I I really can't argue with

1084
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,150
about them with it anymore because it's

1085
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:23,220
been proven to me one by talking to

1086
00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:24,630
people that are a lot smarter than me

1087
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:26,700
that have gone through it and explained

1088
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,230
to me what they think it isn't to having

1089
00:45:34,090 --> 00:45:30,900
it happened to me so you know this

1090
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,100
combination there's no cure for it so

1091
00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:36,300
the fact that they don't want to ignore

1092
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,270
this anymore means that or some people

1093
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,460
don't means that they don't want to

1094
00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:43,140
ignore the obvious and the benefits that

1095
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:45,030
might have who knows what the benefits

1096
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:46,830
might be but closing your mind off the

1097
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:49,380
possibilities never has any benefits and

1098
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:51,210
I think this is what's being realized

1099
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:54,810
now now you believe what's going on with

1100
00:46:00,590 --> 00:45:57,570
them or not now on last week's episode

1101
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:00,600
our mutual friend Walter Bosley was on

1102
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:05,430
and he suggested that the gentleman who

1103
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:08,250
was in charge of the Pentagon branch of

1104
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:12,690
this UFO project Louis Elizondo might

1105
00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:15,540
still be working as a contractor for the

1106
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:17,720
government engaged in what he calls

1107
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:21,570
perception management yeah that we're

1108
00:46:30,830 --> 00:46:25,380
basically controlling the growing

1109
00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:30,840
acceptance of UFOs I would totally agree

1110
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:31,620
with that

1111
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:34,710
but if that's the case what do they want

1112
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:41,510
us to accept UFOs as a concept that is

1113
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:44,900
acceptable to people that would be a

1114
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:47,970
concept that makes what it what's the

1115
00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:51,990
word important or smart people take it

1116
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:55,230
seriously I think that's part of it also

1117
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,780
there there's a I don't know what the

1118
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:00,000
agenda is I really don't the fact that

1119
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:02,010
and I've said this probably a hundred

1120
00:47:06,590 --> 00:47:03,450
times here on a bunch of shows including

1121
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:06,600
why the fact that all these you know a

1122
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:08,910
lot of the people in that group are

1123
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,620
former intelligence or say they're

1124
00:47:17,090 --> 00:47:12,780
former intelligence people there's

1125
00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:17,100
there's an agenda there and an endgame

1126
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:20,100
that we have no idea what it is I don't

1127
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,110
think the long does either all right

1128
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:24,800
well he might but

1129
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:27,180
we really we really don't know what it

1130
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:27,780
is

1131
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,470
making these announcements it's they'll

1132
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:36,800
stop it and they'll go do something else

1133
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,000
but you know the hammer and the nail

1134
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:41,880
thing Walter and I a few other people

1135
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:44,430
they see you know any communication from

1136
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:46,290
the government about UFOs especially

1137
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,060
from the intelligence community we view

1138
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:49,440
it with great suspicion because of

1139
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,310
what's happened in the past every single

1140
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:55,560
time here we're gonna tell you what it

1141
00:47:58,070 --> 00:47:56,610
is oh no we're not

1142
00:48:00,200 --> 00:47:58,080
or you know why aren't you answering us

1143
00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:00,210
anymore it's not that important right

1144
00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:02,820
now it just it's this back and forth and

1145
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:04,860
T's and and it's never to tell everybody

1146
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:06,870
what's going on it's basically to you

1147
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,960
know fulfill some mission I think we

1148
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:12,480
have to be really cognizant of that as

1149
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:15,660
these things move on well then you can

1150
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:17,970
also suggest they're pointing you in the

1151
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:21,630
wrong direction look over here like the

1152
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,810
magician go look over there in my hand

1153
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:27,660
but something else is going on on the

1154
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,260
other side of the room or something yeah

1155
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:33,000
misdirection so what are they miss

1156
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:35,490
directing us from now Tom do long I

1157
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:36,690
think it's an interesting case here

1158
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,270
because it's easy not to take him

1159
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:41,040
seriously because he's a rock star we

1160
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:42,510
don't take rock star seriously they're

1161
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:45,090
just entertainers and maybe they take a

1162
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:48,090
few too many substances so we can look

1163
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:50,610
at them as basically wacky people even

1164
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:53,130
though they could be astrophysicists

1165
00:49:02,000 --> 00:48:57,060
like the former lead guitarist of Queen

1166
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:02,010
Queen yeah Brian May dr. Brian May we

1167
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:04,650
forget that just because they're

1168
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:06,300
musicians doesn't mean that they don't

1169
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:09,300
have advanced degrees in science or a

1170
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:11,220
longtime interest that they're not

1171
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:14,490
serious people remember that the lead

1172
00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:16,290
singer for the Troggs the late reg

1173
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:19,460
Presley wrote a book about crop circles

1174
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,410
now you can say he's a wacky rock star

1175
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:24,420
cuz he's saying wild thing you make my

1176
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:28,530
heart sing etc etc but again because

1177
00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:29,970
someone's a musician doesn't mean

1178
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:32,580
they're not serious people yeah

1179
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:35,370
definitely I don't think he comported

1180
00:49:38,590 --> 00:49:36,920
himself well in that Joe wrote

1181
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:38,600
show which is probably why he's he's

1182
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:40,100
only done one interview since then and I

1183
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,870
think he calmed down for that I got a

1184
00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:44,000
feeling that he smoked a couple big

1185
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:46,100
bulls with Rogan before they did the

1186
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:48,710
show what you mean Tom DeLonge yeah

1187
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:51,110
I've never heard him so I have no idea I

1188
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:53,810
have no interest in his music I'm glad

1189
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:56,090
he's evidently was successful but that's

1190
00:50:01,840 --> 00:49:59,810
fine but I see why it's easy not to take

1191
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:01,850
a person like that seriously which is

1192
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:03,260
another way where they could have a

1193
00:50:11,110 --> 00:50:08,810
quiet influence yeah yeah they can I

1194
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:11,120
think what happened was that and I've

1195
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:12,980
said this before too is that I think he

1196
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:16,250
he he threw them a financial lifeline to

1197
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:18,770
do whatever they need to do and they

1198
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:20,630
said what did they need to say to him to

1199
00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:22,660
get him to do that

1200
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:26,590
there's people associated with that that

1201
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:28,990
was DeLong in this group that are

1202
00:50:34,570 --> 00:50:32,450
spreading their gospel because they they

1203
00:50:36,850 --> 00:50:34,580
say that they've got inside information

1204
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:36,860
and that this is really important and

1205
00:50:42,610 --> 00:50:40,070
they you know but I I think you really

1206
00:50:43,810 --> 00:50:42,620
have to wonder when somebody's saying

1207
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:43,820
what you want to hear and flattering all

1208
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:46,610
your prejudices and that goes for too

1209
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:49,310
long - but he's involved on a completely

1210
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:50,900
different level I don't even know what

1211
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:52,910
they're telling him they're in maybe all

1212
00:51:00,310 --> 00:50:57,380
legit and you know in some way is some

1213
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:00,320
sort of disclosure but like I and Walter

1214
00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:01,490
and a lot of people said and probably a

1215
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:02,630
bunch of people on your show I have

1216
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:06,050
grave doubts well we talked about here

1217
00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:07,790
and I've mentioned it - gradual

1218
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:09,940
disclosure this is part of a project to

1219
00:51:15,730 --> 00:51:13,520
alert us to something or have us come to

1220
00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:15,740
accept something and we'll get into more

1221
00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:16,820
of that as we continue with our

1222
00:51:23,590 --> 00:51:21,080
discussion Chris O'Brien is a lecture

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tour we wish him well with that with

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welcome back into the para cast the gold

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1278
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here's Jane Steinberg all right

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you see that's me doing it or someone I

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00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:16,970
think someone possessed me momentarily

1281
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,490
with Greg Bishop we're trying to sort

1282
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:21,440
things out and see where things are

1283
00:54:25,570 --> 00:54:23,810
going so if it's gradual disclosure you

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00:54:27,070 --> 00:54:25,580
could maybe paint the picture while we

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are becoming accustomed to the

1286
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possibility of life out there because we

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find these supposedly Goldilocks or

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m-type planets orbiting around other

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star systems and maybe they have

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conditions that are conducive to life as

1291
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:44,030
we know it before we even get into other

1292
00:54:50,650 --> 00:54:48,950
possibilities and now we see UFOs being

1293
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:50,660
given serious treatment in the major

1294
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:54,770
newspapers so is that part of the

1295
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:56,150
program these people who expect

1296
00:55:00,370 --> 00:54:58,190
disclosure believe the government knows

1297
00:55:04,030 --> 00:55:00,380
the truth back there they know what

1298
00:55:05,950 --> 00:55:04,040
these things are maybe they have contact

1299
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:05,960
with et that's getting extreme but you

1300
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,570
know the point and that's one possible

1301
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:11,200
scenario here that if you wanted to

1302
00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:15,310
acquaint people to the possibility that

1303
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:18,140
we have advanced life forms out there

1304
00:55:22,780 --> 00:55:20,210
that are visiting us now it's no longer

1305
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:22,790
abstract it's no longer Star Trek or

1306
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:25,940
Star Wars they are here now how would

1307
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,970
you convey that information to people I

1308
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:31,040
don't know I guess the way they're doing

1309
00:55:34,510 --> 00:55:33,230
it like I said I think it's obvious to

1310
00:55:36,610 --> 00:55:34,520
most people that something very strange

1311
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:36,620
is going on they just think the

1312
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:38,920
government has the answer and that's I

1313
00:55:44,350 --> 00:55:41,330
don't think that's the right way to go I

1314
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:44,360
think that the answer comes from

1315
00:55:47,830 --> 00:55:45,950
everywhere it comes from anybody that's

1316
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:47,840
interested in the subject mysterious way

1317
00:55:54,370 --> 00:55:51,170
and is open to criticism has a stake in

1318
00:55:56,530 --> 00:55:54,380
this and actually asking Big Brother to

1319
00:55:59,800 --> 00:55:56,540
tell us what something is it's a

1320
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,810
dangerous road to go down and I've said

1321
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:01,760
this before and a lot of people have why

1322
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:03,710
is it that you don't trust the

1323
00:56:06,940 --> 00:56:05,690
government on anything to do with UFOs

1324
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:06,950
and then suddenly what they tell you

1325
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:08,670
when they tell you what you want to hear

1326
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:10,650
all ears at James Clarkson said

1327
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:11,970
something great about this is he said

1328
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:13,950
it's like the it's like the abused

1329
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:16,290
girlfriend was thinking everything's

1330
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:18,390
great when her the boyfriend or a

1331
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:20,520
husband a rubber that beats them all the

1332
00:56:23,299 --> 00:56:21,869
time and shows up with champagne and

1333
00:56:25,549 --> 00:56:23,309
flowers well everything's gonna be great

1334
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:25,559
now really after years and years of

1335
00:56:31,819 --> 00:56:29,700
abuse and and violence and whatever

1336
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:31,829
now suddenly everything's okay that

1337
00:56:39,319 --> 00:56:36,569
that's a good model for caution so now

1338
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:39,329
the government delivers this I agree

1339
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:41,130
what do you say would you believe them

1340
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,750
do we even believe the government

1341
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,400
anymore we don't believe the President

1342
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:46,020
of the United States or I think probably

1343
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,809
2/3 of the people don't which is kind of

1344
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:50,640
a crazy thing here you have this Moltar

1345
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:52,530
net reality where one group of people

1346
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,809
follows whatever he says another group

1347
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:57,119
disbelieves everything he says and I

1348
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,530
have said this even before we had

1349
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:01,440
President Trump even if Obama had come

1350
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out with et standing there and saying my

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fellow Americans we have a momentous

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announcement here we're going to present

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the first visitor from another planet

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and I think it was just somebody wearing

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a costume they wouldn't believe it if I

1356
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here what I expect to hear I'm very

1357
00:57:28,099 --> 00:57:26,069
suspicious that's just my nature I don't

1358
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:28,109
know about other people but I would

1359
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:29,910
caution people if you're hearing exactly

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00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:31,380
what you want to hear about something

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that you're very passionate about

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00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:35,490
somebody is there's a good chance

1363
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:37,980
somebody is using your biases and your

1364
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:42,000
beliefs and all that to advance some

1365
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:43,619
sort of agenda even if it's just to make

1366
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:47,250
you believe more in your belief so but

1367
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:48,809
that's just my suspicious nature I've

1368
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,819
been that way since I was long as I can

1369
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:52,859
remember I do not like when somebody

1370
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,230
tells me don't worry we know we know

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00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,799
what's going on and you know don't think

1372
00:58:02,359 --> 00:58:00,240
about it anymore because this is the

1373
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:02,369
answer that really bothers me

1374
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:04,290
bothers me not even a government just in

1375
00:58:11,410 --> 00:58:07,890
general like as if they are they're

1376
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:11,420
trying to pull the wool over your eyes

1377
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:14,130
especially since in the UFO field we've

1378
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:16,140
covered all these efforts of

1379
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:19,230
disinformation going back to bennewitz

1380
00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:23,070
going back even earlier how can we

1381
00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:25,859
believe them but then that's the

1382
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:28,109
disconnect I think disclosure advocates

1383
00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:31,950
can't address no they don't like the I

1384
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:33,859
think we talked about this on this show

1385
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:36,960
you know what why the only thing they're

1386
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,970
gonna believe is something that grieves

1387
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:41,400
with the preconceptions which is which

1388
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:43,410
is completely wrong what you know your

1389
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,630
your answering your own question if you

1390
00:58:50,359 --> 00:58:48,180
don't question your own questions you're

1391
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:50,369
in an echo chamber and I think that's

1392
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:51,780
what the disclosure movement has been

1393
00:58:56,780 --> 00:58:54,060
for since the beginning is basically an

1394
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,790
echo to while the UFO field for the most

1395
00:59:01,940 --> 00:58:58,859
part to but especially the disclosure

1396
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:01,950
people I think however a very large

1397
00:59:06,830 --> 00:59:03,840
portion of the public is in an echo

1398
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:06,840
chamber they've established a particular

1399
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:09,690
belief system they only pay attention to

1400
00:59:14,090 --> 00:59:11,700
whatever fits in that belief system and

1401
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:14,100
when it comes to religion or politics

1402
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:17,490
anyone else with any contrary view it's

1403
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:19,830
not just another point of view it makes

1404
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,150
you a horrible disreputable person

1405
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:26,160
yeah well it's I don't know what's going

1406
00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:28,170
on in the last few I don't know twenty

1407
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:29,670
or thirty years I'm turning into an old

1408
00:59:36,260 --> 00:59:34,710
person now but I was taught by my

1409
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:36,270
parents and I think by the school system

1410
00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:38,520
to question things and to have a free

1411
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:41,640
exchange of ideas and to debate people

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00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:43,590
and realize when that your position is

1413
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:49,320
is weak and to adapt your position we

1414
00:59:53,090 --> 00:59:51,000
used to have we stab mock debates in

1415
00:59:56,270 --> 00:59:53,100
high school and you would learn a lot by

1416
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:56,280
you know I was actually asked to debate

1417
01:00:01,099 --> 00:59:58,290
points that I didn't agree with the

1418
01:00:02,330 --> 01:00:01,109
teacher specifically told me I know you

1419
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:02,340
don't agree with this point so I'm

1420
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:04,380
putting you on that team just so you can

1421
01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:08,220
go deeply into their into the reasons

1422
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:09,540
why somebody would have that point of

1423
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,250
view and realize what that might be I

1424
01:00:15,620 --> 01:00:13,020
don't know if that's done anymore

1425
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:15,630
I don't see any evidence of it maybe I

1426
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:18,990
was lucky I don't know well certainly

1427
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:21,930
this is the problem that we have in

1428
01:00:26,660 --> 01:00:24,330
society in general not just in the UFO

1429
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:26,670
field where you either believe in them

1430
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:28,500
or don't believe in them and you're a

1431
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:30,150
skeptic you're a debunker you're a

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01:00:33,029 --> 01:00:32,460
government agent you hear all the

1433
01:00:34,769 --> 01:00:33,039
charges

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01:00:37,709 --> 01:00:34,779
if you come up with a contrary point of

1435
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:37,719
view and I think when you say maybe UFOs

1436
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:40,569
are and et some people will look at you

1437
01:00:48,029 --> 01:00:44,799
like oh how can you say that it's so

1438
01:00:51,029 --> 01:00:48,039
obvious but then I think it's also

1439
01:00:53,189 --> 01:00:51,039
caused tunnel vision is also caused a

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01:00:55,909 --> 01:00:53,199
lack of progress because we expect the

1441
01:00:58,349 --> 01:00:55,919
answer and this is why for example I

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01:01:00,239 --> 01:00:58,359
criticize and I know you do too when

1443
01:01:02,219 --> 01:01:00,249
you're not relieved that interested in

1444
01:01:05,339 --> 01:01:02,229
UFO organizations but when I see them

1445
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:05,349
just evangelizing a message rather than

1446
01:01:11,789 --> 01:01:09,849
saying heck what's going on here I don't

1447
01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:11,799
think they bill more said this in 89

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01:01:14,759 --> 01:01:13,660
speech what's gonna happen if you figure

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01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:14,769
out what's going on what the hell are

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01:01:18,089 --> 01:01:16,599
you gonna do with your life I don't

1451
01:01:19,769 --> 01:01:18,099
think there's a lot of these people they

1452
01:01:21,929 --> 01:01:19,779
don't want the answer they just want it

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01:01:24,029 --> 01:01:21,939
to be remain a mystery and instead of

1454
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:24,039
exploring different ways to find a

1455
01:01:27,569 --> 01:01:25,660
better understanding I've stopped using

1456
01:01:29,549 --> 01:01:27,579
the word answer because that assumes

1457
01:01:31,769 --> 01:01:29,559
there's an answer and I don't know if

1458
01:01:36,689 --> 01:01:31,779
there is one and it closes off

1459
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,699
possibilities but if you keep searching

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01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:38,799
for the some single answer that's all

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01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:40,089
you ever gonna do and you get tunnel

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01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:42,609
vision Chris was very nice in his

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01:01:48,329 --> 01:01:45,569
lecture a couple nights ago he actually

1464
01:01:51,029 --> 01:01:48,339
said we really have to have a sense of

1465
01:01:53,099 --> 01:01:51,039
equity in this and he said that this is

1466
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:53,109
you know he said this is this is a word

1467
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:54,400
I borrowed from Greg over there we've

1468
01:01:58,259 --> 01:01:56,049
got to have a sense of equity about

1469
01:01:59,880 --> 01:01:58,269
what's going on here we have to look at

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01:02:02,159 --> 01:01:59,890
different points of view we can't just

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01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:02,169
tunnel vision ourselves because it

1472
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:04,839
closes off to so many possibilities and

1473
01:02:09,059 --> 01:02:07,599
things that might be there's so many

1474
01:02:10,529 --> 01:02:09,069
examples of people just basically

1475
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,539
sticking their heads in the sand and the

1476
01:02:14,179 --> 01:02:12,400
world falls down around I don't think

1477
01:02:18,029 --> 01:02:14,189
that's gonna happen with ufology but

1478
01:02:19,499 --> 01:02:18,039
actually it might but that's a very bad

1479
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:19,509
model for something that we don't know

1480
01:02:25,759 --> 01:02:22,329
the answer to if it was an organization

1481
01:02:27,779 --> 01:02:25,769
you know trying to stop start and stop

1482
01:02:30,779 --> 01:02:27,789
helped starving children in Africa

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01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:30,789
you've got a very specific realistic

1484
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:33,249
everybody knows about it goal in this

1485
01:02:36,419 --> 01:02:34,809
case or even if you're just trying to

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01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,429
figure out how you know what nuclear

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01:02:40,349 --> 01:02:38,319
fusion works there's a very specific

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01:02:42,689 --> 01:02:40,359
goal there's a good idea of how to get

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01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:42,699
there there's no real argument about it

1490
01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:43,839
but then you get to something where you

1491
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:45,640
like you said early in the show can't be

1492
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:48,910
Reuben really and you argue for

1493
01:02:53,609 --> 01:02:51,369
something that has no real objective

1494
01:02:56,849 --> 01:02:53,619
evidence for it in the way that we think

1495
01:02:59,220 --> 01:02:56,859
of objective evidence now certainly

1496
01:03:00,509 --> 01:02:59,230
there's something going on I'm almost

1497
01:03:02,819 --> 01:03:00,519
certain there's something that isn't

1498
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:02,829
human that air acts with us but apart

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01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:05,730
from that making assumptions about it is

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01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:09,130
doesn't advance the field it doesn't

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01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:13,690
advance knowledge and it's no fun yeah

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01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,220
it's just like repeating the same old

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01:03:19,859 --> 01:03:17,440
things that's why for example a long

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time ago I got bored reading about UFO

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sightings because so many were the same

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I only focus on the stuff with

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cast community forums at forum dot the

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para cast dot-com which one bite Don

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Ecker of Dark Matters radio Don welcome

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thank you yeah we bad before you got on

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we were talking about again this big

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story since we had the Pentagon UFO

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project revelation and the New York

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Times and what that means about the

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state of UFO research and whether we

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should even believe our government if

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they were to say something that appears

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to favor what we want what's your

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reaction to the recent stuff Don do you

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think that maybe we're moving closer to

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something or is it just another

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misdirection surprise shock shock to a

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limited extent and deep suspicions I've

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been watching this UFO thing for decades

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decades and I got to tell you that

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suddenly after 70 years of vehemently

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saying it's nothing there it's

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misidentification it's Liars it's

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delusion estat span assists suddenly

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seemingly out of the blue the

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representatives of the United States

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government turn around and say well yeah

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yeah actually there is something there

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and then we discover that one of the

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most prominent former senators in the

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United States Congress Harry Reid for

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God's sake of all people although let's

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not forget where Reid came from the

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state of Nevada what's in Nevada well

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things like Bob Bigelow area 51 all

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kinds of good things Reid was

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instrumental in getting 22 million

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dollars for the research

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of identifying unidentified flying

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objects now I got to tell you if

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somebody would have told me this even

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two years ago I would have probably

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fallen down laughing but I got to tell

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you today when I look at this I am

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suspicious to the max I think that

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they're trying to basically take our

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attention away from something else now

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what is that something else I couldn't

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tell you right now but I do not trust

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this and for those people that think

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this is the beginning of disclosure I

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would just say take a step back chill a

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little bit give some deep thought and

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probably you need to do some deep

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research to really try to understand

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what might be happening

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you might also start first with deep

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relaxation exercises to calm your mind

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and allow yourself to think clearly

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would you go with that well tequila does

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that for me I don't know about you it

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sounds like you've been listening to the

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first part of this show even though you

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weren't here do you have psychic powers

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now I couldn't say Ingo Swann thought I

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did but I couldn't tell you I wasn't

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surprised Don said what he said and

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we're we're pretty much an agreement for

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slightly different reasons but basically

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why are you believing everything that

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you want to hear just because it's been

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being said now what's the difference now

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well because it's what they want to hear

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not that it's being covered up this is

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something that has been to coin a phrase

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squarely from the from the top on down

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as a matter of fact today before this

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show I did a pre record on my upcoming

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guest for February the 19th who happened

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to be a Russian in Russia and I happen

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to mention this thing to him the first

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words out of his mouth when I asked him

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because he he saw the Harry Reid tape

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and and he saw what was going on dis

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informatio in other words he thinks it's

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disinformation so

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it's not disinformation but more spin of

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information well I don't mean the the

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sighting of the so-called tic-tac UFO

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was disinformation night I actually

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think that they actually saw something

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and I'll tell you what really set me

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back on my heels a few days ago the

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other day I right before dinner I come

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into the living room turned on the

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television to see what might be on and

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actually I was going to watch a movie

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01:12:57,330 --> 01:12:53,530
and I was just doing some quick channel

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01:13:00,209 --> 01:12:57,340
surfing I surfed through the Fox Network

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01:13:03,799 --> 01:13:00,219
the Tucker Carlson program was on and I

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was getting ready to surf on through and

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suddenly he says and UFO we're going to

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have a UFO reporter on here and I

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stopped and I yelled at my wife I said

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01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,880
Vicki come out here yes we did talk

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01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:17,440
about that a couple of times already

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01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:19,960
about the appearance of Leslie Kane

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01:13:26,939 --> 01:13:22,300
oh that's nice I didn't though and

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:26,949
Leslie Kane came on and what really

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shocked me nothing she said shocked me

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01:13:38,459 --> 01:13:35,610
but Carlson shocked me by how seriously

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01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:38,469
especially talking about the O'Hare

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01:13:44,819 --> 01:13:42,400
Airport incident where a UFO was

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01:13:49,049 --> 01:13:44,829
hovering above one of the most busy

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01:13:51,569 --> 01:13:49,059
airports in the world then it blows up

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01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:51,579
through the clouds leaves a donut there

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01:13:58,379 --> 01:13:55,840
and the FAA showed no interest in this

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not the fact that the incident happened

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and how the federal people reacted to it

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but the fact that somebody like Carlson

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really started to take the FAA to task

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01:14:16,799 --> 01:14:13,210
that I found interesting well especially

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01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:16,809
when you hear some of the very very

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01:14:22,979 --> 01:14:20,230
inflammatory conversation in which she's

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engaged and I don't want to mention some

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01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:24,639
of the language but we'll go into that

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here straight down the middle but that

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was

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even when Leslie canes book came out

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several years ago and a morning FoxNews

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talking head and I don't know the name

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01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,590
of the particular anchor right now but

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01:14:42,209 --> 01:14:40,719
the only thing I noticed that was a

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01:14:44,459 --> 01:14:42,219
little bit weird is that he was up on a

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01:14:48,299 --> 01:14:44,469
platform and Leslie Kane who's kind of a

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petite woman was on the surface and so

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01:14:52,770 --> 01:14:50,110
he looked like he was towering over her

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01:14:55,740 --> 01:14:52,780
but the questions are very serious and

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01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:55,750
she was treated seriously in fact the

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01:15:01,109 --> 01:14:59,380
only observance of the old-fashioned way

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01:15:03,569 --> 01:15:01,119
of treating UFOs goes back to a

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Washington Post review of Mark

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O'Connell's biography the close

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01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:09,130
encounter man of J Allen Hynek and

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01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:10,360
everything was pretty straight forward

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01:15:14,609 --> 01:15:12,130
until the final paragraph where she

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starts talking about little green men

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:18,250
the author of the piece but that was the

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exception that was in the Washington

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Post

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well here is something that is a dirty

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big secret not a dirty little secret

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it's a big secret but it's dirty and

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just about everybody that matters knows

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01:15:38,850 --> 01:15:37,030
it and that is that the government of

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the United States has been taking this

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subject incredibly seriously for seventy

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years I mean at one point you had a

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President of the United States harry s

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truman ordering his Air Force to shoot

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these things down

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you had these objects whatever they are

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crowding the skies of Washington DC for

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multiple weekends in a row starting in

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July of 1952 all the things that

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happened since like Air Force general

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Bolender whose famous memo saw the the

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light of day where he talked about all

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the cases with national security

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considerations were sent somewhere else

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not project Bluebook

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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so we have Don Ecker now with gene

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Steinberg and Greg Bishop and as he says

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they've been investigating UFOs for

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years but I wanted to just throw this

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out at you then what was the purpose

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then of this new Pentagon UFO study it

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seems like it exists in a vacuum who

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suggests to be nice to senator Reed and

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send some black money over to Robert

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01:21:49,379 --> 01:21:47,440
Bigelow why do that if they've already

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01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:49,389
been investigating for years it doesn't

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01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:51,730
seem to recognize there than any

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01:21:57,359 --> 01:21:54,070
previous UFO projects which is strange

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01:22:02,580 --> 01:21:57,369
well the ticket in my book in my opinion

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:02,590
is simply the secret is not with what we

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01:22:10,830 --> 01:22:07,210
know the secret real secret is with what

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01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:10,840
we don't know and that's my in my entire

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01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,280
point about this case we don't know what

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was behind this okay sure

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we we know that there was an incident

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back in 2004 with several naval aviators

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we know they encountered something

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inexplicable we know that they attempted

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to chase it we know that this thing just

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01:22:43,799 --> 01:22:38,440
seemingly left those Navy jets in the

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:43,809
dust we know according to the audio from

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01:22:51,089 --> 01:22:47,530
that incident that this object is

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01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:51,099
reported to have carried out impossible

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01:22:58,919 --> 01:22:54,670
for our technology maneuvers but we

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01:23:02,040 --> 01:22:58,929
don't know what else was behind this we

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01:23:05,819 --> 01:23:02,050
don't know what it was that caused Harry

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01:23:09,330 --> 01:23:05,829
Reid to seek out a couple of other

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01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:09,340
senators to work on getting this 22

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01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:12,610
million dollar deal was it because for

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example and this is speculation did

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01:23:22,979 --> 01:23:19,749
Robert Bigelow have a bee in his bonnet

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about something and he didn't want to

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spend 22 million dollars of his to chase

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this being espanha and he thought well

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go to my old buddy Harry Reid because

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Harry Reid is somebody that could get

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some federal money and maybe we can we

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can pursue it that way

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we just don't know and it's going to be

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01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:47,290
interesting down the road to see if this

1937
01:23:54,150 --> 01:23:50,770
is like every other UFO a case that

1938
01:23:57,930 --> 01:23:54,160
makes a short big splash and it's going

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01:24:00,979 --> 01:23:57,940
to disappear or whether this is going to

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end up having some legs simply because

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people within the government acknowledge

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the existence of these unknown objects

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it's going to be interesting and and

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that's what I can tell you at this point

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all right do you think there before

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01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:15,520
we'll ever learn the answer to the UFO

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01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:21,510
mystery you're asking me yeah no why not

1948
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well it's real simple for me anyway in

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01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:28,719
my opinion my humble opinion it's very

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01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:31,030
simple it's simply the fact that

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whatever they've been concealing for 70

1952
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years and they trust me on this they've

1953
01:24:45,209 --> 01:24:43,420
been hiding something in my opinion

1954
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:45,219
that's simply why they've never been

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01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:47,860
willing to acknowledge the reality of

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01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:52,090
this or acknowledge that these cases

1957
01:24:58,430 --> 01:24:55,510
have actually been happening whatever

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01:25:00,630 --> 01:24:58,440
that secret is there's no indication

1959
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:00,640
that they're going to be forthcoming

1960
01:25:06,450 --> 01:25:03,760
with that it could be god I could sit

1961
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:06,460
here and speculate the rest of the show

1962
01:25:14,010 --> 01:25:09,610
on what it could be it could be the fact

1963
01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:14,020
that maybe some of these unknown objects

1964
01:25:22,350 --> 01:25:17,980
are occasionally abducting human beings

1965
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:22,360
maybe it could be because they know they

1966
01:25:28,620 --> 01:25:25,270
being the government authorities that

1967
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:28,630
it's much more lethal than what we

1968
01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:31,450
thought perhaps they're aware and this

1969
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,300
is going to sound really out there but I

1970
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:37,120
have my reasons for saying it maybe

1971
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:39,489
there's some kind of a skirmish or

1972
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:43,840
shooting war going on out in space

1973
01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:46,409
but for 30 years I've been hearing

1974
01:25:54,109 --> 01:25:50,980
rumors from various parts within the UFO

1975
01:25:58,859 --> 01:25:54,119
research field that there's at least one

1976
01:26:01,709 --> 01:25:58,869
group of visitors okay that are in

1977
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:01,719
nickle to the human race god only knows

1978
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,510
it could be any number of things perhaps

1979
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:06,400
they're afraid that if they acknowledge

1980
01:26:14,609 --> 01:26:11,110
the reality that our economic and social

1981
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,619
structure could disintegrate what if

1982
01:26:21,689 --> 01:26:17,280
they came here and presented us with

1983
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:21,699
some type of energy boon that could turn

1984
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:24,580
the one thing that makes this planet

1985
01:26:31,129 --> 01:26:28,060
revolve around the Sun on its ear and

1986
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:31,139
that would be doing away with the oil

1987
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:34,630
cartels fossil fuels because they have

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01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:38,310
something much more efficient much more

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01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:40,900
affordable much more you see what I'm

1990
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:42,280
saying it could be any number of things

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01:26:45,089 --> 01:26:44,290
so no they're not going to talk about it

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01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:45,099
okay

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01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:48,760
well then that doesn't keep us from

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01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:50,650
going out and trying to figure it out on

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01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:52,150
our own we don't need Big Brother to

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01:26:55,589 --> 01:26:53,530
come and tell us about the reality of

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01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:55,599
something that I think a lot of people

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01:27:01,439 --> 01:26:56,770
including most of the public already

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01:27:03,930 --> 01:27:01,449
accepts as at least a valid idea if not

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01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:03,940
a reality well even if we hit the nail

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:04,540
on the head

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01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:08,489
Greg how would we know we wouldn't know

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01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:11,980
even if we if we figured it out if you

2004
01:27:16,530 --> 01:27:14,770
and I sat here in between the two of us

2005
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:16,540
or the three of us we figured the whole

2006
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:20,560
thing out at the end it would be nothing

2007
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:23,409
more than three Talking Heads bloviating

2008
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:27,280
and it would go nowhere yeah well I

2009
01:27:31,050 --> 01:27:29,650
talked about this earlier before you

2010
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:31,060
came on which you were at a disadvantage

2011
01:27:38,129 --> 01:27:35,110
you didn't hear but my point was the

2012
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,139
fact of studying it and being interested

2013
01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:40,480
in it should be enough even though you

2014
01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:42,040
don't think there's ever gonna be any

2015
01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:44,230
kind of answer because at some point

2016
01:27:47,850 --> 01:27:45,940
your understanding maybe gets a little

2017
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:47,860
bit better and even if it doesn't get it

2018
01:27:50,609 --> 01:27:49,510
a little bit better about the subject or

2019
01:27:53,310 --> 01:27:50,619
where it comes from if there's aliens

2020
01:27:56,189 --> 01:27:53,320
here or not we can find out more about

2021
01:27:57,340 --> 01:27:56,199
how we perceive things interact with

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01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,350
each other

2023
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:00,080
remember things tell stories how far our

2024
01:28:04,150 --> 01:28:02,210
science can go all these things impinge

2025
01:28:06,010 --> 01:28:04,160
upon the UFO subject without having to

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01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:06,020
figure out where they come from or

2027
01:28:09,370 --> 01:28:07,130
anything like that what's more

2028
01:28:10,690 --> 01:28:09,380
interesting and I said this a couple

2029
01:28:12,730 --> 01:28:10,700
other any abuse you know what's the most

2030
01:28:15,460 --> 01:28:12,740
important question you follow G right

2031
01:28:17,770 --> 01:28:15,470
now or about UFOs is what causes UFO

2032
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:17,780
reports I think that's that's a real

2033
01:28:22,030 --> 01:28:19,550
important question not the not that

2034
01:28:23,530 --> 01:28:22,040
where they come from you know not what

2035
01:28:25,930 --> 01:28:23,540
the government knows what causes the

2036
01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:25,940
reports you know what what is the source

2037
01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:27,980
of the reports and I don't think we've

2038
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:29,870
got a nail on that and I've nailed that

2039
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:31,490
down yet and it's interesting just to

2040
01:28:36,730 --> 01:28:33,890
figure out what that might be well I've

2041
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:36,740
had a couple of sightings in my life

2042
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:39,890
before I became well actually no one was

2043
01:28:45,790 --> 01:28:42,250
was after I became involved in

2044
01:28:49,090 --> 01:28:45,800
researching rich Sarah day and I had

2045
01:28:52,060 --> 01:28:49,100
driven over to Las Vegas and coming back

2046
01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:52,070
I think you know about this Greg yeah we

2047
01:28:58,060 --> 01:28:54,230
stopped for a comfort break on a place

2048
01:28:59,500 --> 01:28:58,070
called Zzyzx Road driving back to LA and

2049
01:29:02,080 --> 01:28:59,510
we were out there just it was a

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01:29:04,150 --> 01:29:02,090
beautiful evening we were standing out

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01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,160
in the desert we were just kind of taken

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01:29:11,470 --> 01:29:06,560
five and that's a long drive as you know

2053
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:11,480
and we saw some really inexplicable

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01:29:17,740 --> 01:29:15,050
things in the sky after we got home and

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01:29:20,380 --> 01:29:17,750
we had a we had a weird situation there

2056
01:29:22,570 --> 01:29:20,390
and when we got home neither of us

2057
01:29:25,090 --> 01:29:22,580
called anybody up to report it who in

2058
01:29:28,420 --> 01:29:25,100
the heck would we call you know I guess

2059
01:29:30,490 --> 01:29:28,430
we could have called the LAPD and they

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01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:30,500
would have said oh okay and that would

2061
01:29:34,330 --> 01:29:32,450
have been it we could have called the

2062
01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:34,340
Air Force and they would have said well

2063
01:29:39,820 --> 01:29:37,550
we don't take those reports anymore you

2064
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:39,830
know who do you call the newspaper and

2065
01:29:45,670 --> 01:29:42,560
they would just consign it probably also

2066
01:29:49,740 --> 01:29:45,680
to the round file the bottom line is if

2067
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:49,750
somebody does see something wild crazy

2068
01:29:55,450 --> 01:29:52,490
inexplicable what do they do with it

2069
01:29:58,060 --> 01:29:55,460
most people would just shake their head

2070
01:30:01,480 --> 01:29:58,070
and continue on with their life they

2071
01:30:03,850 --> 01:30:01,490
don't need the the hassle that making a

2072
01:30:05,500 --> 01:30:03,860
report might bring them no of course

2073
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:05,510
they don't but they would be better if

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01:30:08,729 --> 01:30:07,310
there was a place for them to report it

2075
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:08,739
to you I guess right now it's like

2076
01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:10,210
Fon and the national UFO Reporting

2077
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:12,460
Center I went and saw Chris O'Brien

2078
01:30:18,090 --> 01:30:14,650
speak at a couple different places here

2079
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:18,100
in the last a couple of days and I

2080
01:30:20,910 --> 01:30:19,540
noticed what was happening in him

2081
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:20,920
happens to me and I'm sure this happens

2082
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this happened to you Don many times

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security is a mindset and fake TV should

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[Music]

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01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:24,970
why are we getting killed like this

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01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:26,890
house not here got caught drinking beer

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01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:27,820
in the park a couple of nights ago

2180
01:34:30,930 --> 01:34:30,490
really yeah zero tolerance he's out for

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01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:30,940
the season

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01:34:35,420 --> 01:34:33,730
harsh hey he need not to drink with me

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01:34:37,290 --> 01:34:35,430
they clear to all of our kids right oh

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01:34:38,730 --> 01:34:37,300
no not really

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01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:38,740
though if we don't tell them what we

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01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:41,020
expected and why addition drink how are

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01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:53,650
they gonna know talk they hear you this

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01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,290
is to romp lacklustre of the on psycho

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01:35:00,380 --> 01:34:58,000
feet in other books when you're

2190
01:35:11,569 --> 01:35:00,390
listening to the podcast

2191
01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:15,680
so Greg Bishop is describing recent

2192
01:35:21,299 --> 01:35:18,190
lectures he seen from Chris O'Brien

2193
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,309
let's go on what I noticed here and if

2194
01:35:26,250 --> 01:35:23,199
you've done any speaking at any of these

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01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:26,260
things which I know Dodd has you sit at

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01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:27,489
your table later and people come over

2197
01:35:31,410 --> 01:35:29,710
they start talking to you and many of

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01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:31,420
them all they want to do is tell you the

2199
01:35:34,370 --> 01:35:32,530
weird thing that happened to them

2200
01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:34,380
because they can't tell anybody else

2201
01:35:39,390 --> 01:35:37,480
without having somebody laugh at them or

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01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:39,400
question their sanity or whatever it may

2203
01:35:42,180 --> 01:35:40,719
be that's changing a little bit

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01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:42,190
but over the years I've noticed this

2205
01:35:44,490 --> 01:35:43,420
people will come up and say well I had

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01:35:46,729 --> 01:35:44,500
this thing they start describing

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01:35:49,319 --> 01:35:46,739
assigning to me clothes far whatever

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01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:49,329
when they're done they don't ask me what

2209
01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:51,730
do you think it was who can I go talk to

2210
01:35:55,890 --> 01:35:53,590
they just say thank you and they walk

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01:35:59,220 --> 01:35:55,900
away they just wanted somebody to tell

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01:36:01,770 --> 01:35:59,230
it to so I think that's a big part of of

2213
01:36:03,959 --> 01:36:01,780
UFO research is let the witness say

2214
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:03,969
whatever the hell they want to say don't

2215
01:36:08,609 --> 01:36:06,730
assume for them and listen to them

2216
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:08,619
listen to them for things that you you

2217
01:36:11,819 --> 01:36:09,880
know that you're not there to ask them

2218
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:11,829
questions about like how it made them

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01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:13,119
feel or what happened later or whatever

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01:36:16,890 --> 01:36:15,010
and I think this is actually changing

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01:36:19,260 --> 01:36:16,900
but I think it could develop more so

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01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:19,270
people could have someplace a central

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01:36:22,049 --> 01:36:20,770
place they could report this to or they

2224
01:36:23,899 --> 01:36:22,059
could just say what they wanted to say

2225
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:23,909
and not be turned into a statistic maybe

2226
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:27,130
well I kind of think that with MUFON

2227
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:29,050
you're a statistic because what are they

2228
01:36:33,020 --> 01:36:31,210
doing with these reports at best they

2229
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:33,030
may report it in their newsletter and

2230
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:36,489
you'll read that and that's it we're

2231
01:36:41,549 --> 01:36:38,770
just yeah they're just there for UFO

2232
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:41,559
porno and then maybe collecting some

2233
01:36:45,330 --> 01:36:43,510
data and if you really want to get to

2234
01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:45,340
conspiratorial about it especially with

2235
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:47,380
and I'm sure Don can speak to this about

2236
01:36:51,359 --> 01:36:49,690
Bigelow's agreement with them where that

2237
01:36:52,859 --> 01:36:51,369
information might be going at certain

2238
01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:52,869
times and who's paying for it and who

2239
01:36:57,569 --> 01:36:55,510
you know who's who's vacuuming it up now

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01:37:01,560 --> 01:36:57,579
the theory I made by the way which I

2241
01:37:05,700 --> 01:37:01,570
think John Alexander was disputing but

2242
01:37:09,060 --> 01:37:05,710
that is that the money that Bigelow used

2243
01:37:12,899 --> 01:37:09,070
and offered to MUFON was that government

2244
01:37:16,049 --> 01:37:12,909
money well john alexander john alexander

2245
01:37:18,990 --> 01:37:16,059
today came to me and said

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01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:19,000
Hey Acker the Sun comes out in the

2247
01:37:26,220 --> 01:37:22,440
morning okay the moon comes out at night

2248
01:37:31,370 --> 01:37:26,230
okay guess what I'm gonna go outside and

2249
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:31,380
look I don't believe anything he says

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01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:36,010
today about his research into the

2251
01:37:45,089 --> 01:37:39,360
phenomenon and the fact that he found

2252
01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:45,099
nothing crap Paula okay it's there in a

2253
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,980
nutshell I don't believe it you know why

2254
01:37:53,220 --> 01:37:50,320
don't you be more explicit about that

2255
01:37:56,370 --> 01:37:53,230
why I always try to be as explicit is it

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01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:56,380
I always fall short okay all right you

2257
01:37:59,250 --> 01:37:57,730
don't believe him do you believe Walter

2258
01:38:00,810 --> 01:37:59,260
Bosley who has an intelligence

2259
01:38:04,339 --> 01:38:00,820
background is he providing

2260
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:04,349
disinformation no I don't think he is no

2261
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:07,150
but because Alexander didn't discover

2262
01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:09,250
what you hope was there or expecting to

2263
01:38:13,229 --> 01:38:12,760
be there I hope has nothing to do with

2264
01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:13,239
it

2265
01:38:23,370 --> 01:38:20,590
during the Vietnam War right I served in

2266
01:38:27,540 --> 01:38:23,380
Special Operations with intelligence

2267
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:27,550
matters and I'm telling you if he comes

2268
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:31,440
out and he says I went to all my

2269
01:38:38,399 --> 01:38:36,010
high-ranking buddies okay I had a top

2270
01:38:40,379 --> 01:38:38,409
security clearance and I went to them

2271
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:40,389
and they had a top security clearance

2272
01:38:44,910 --> 01:38:42,730
and I asked him do you know anything

2273
01:38:48,959 --> 01:38:44,920
about this UFO stuff and every one of

2274
01:38:52,169 --> 01:38:48,969
them told me no well you know why they

2275
01:38:56,010 --> 01:38:52,179
told him no if that's what happened they

2276
01:38:59,899 --> 01:38:56,020
told him no if they knew they told him

2277
01:39:03,149 --> 01:38:59,909
no because he didn't have a need to know

2278
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:03,159
that's what these guys will always try

2279
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:06,400
to pull on the unsuspecting public

2280
01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:09,520
okay just because you have a top

2281
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:12,460
security clearance I had a top security

2282
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:16,000
clearance with a crypto access in the

2283
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:18,760
Armed Forces you didn't get one higher

2284
01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:21,610
than that everything else was on a

2285
01:39:29,220 --> 01:39:26,230
special need to know special access

2286
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:29,230
programs s AP

2287
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:31,090
and just because you had a top security

2288
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:34,690
clearance if you didn't have a need to

2289
01:39:41,070 --> 01:39:38,170
know for your duties guess what you

2290
01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:41,080
don't know squat and they won't tell you

2291
01:39:48,510 --> 01:39:45,310
squat so for him to walk around and tell

2292
01:39:50,190 --> 01:39:48,520
everybody well I you know I did a lot of

2293
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:50,200
research into this I did a lot of

2294
01:39:55,620 --> 01:39:53,410
Investigation and nobody did I talked to

2295
01:39:57,060 --> 01:39:55,630
told me they knew anything um huh I'm

2296
01:40:02,220 --> 01:39:57,070
not surprised

2297
01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:02,230
so he knows that the guy's not dumb he

2298
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:04,750
knows that but for him to spew that

2299
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:08,530
blather okay spew it to somebody else I

2300
01:40:11,970 --> 01:40:09,510
know better

2301
01:40:13,740 --> 01:40:11,980
well sorry you're holding back they are

2302
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:13,750
not expressing your true point of view

2303
01:40:18,570 --> 01:40:16,210
I'm kidding all right well then again

2304
01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:18,580
that may have been a situation that he

2305
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,310
who he asked whoever he asked within his

2306
01:40:25,860 --> 01:40:23,920
circle of friends and that's what he got

2307
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:25,870
but I would think that's a bit in

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01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:29,890
curious if nothing else look you and I

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01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:33,489
and Greg know that there's something

2310
01:40:40,740 --> 01:40:37,060
going on there we also know that over

2311
01:40:43,020 --> 01:40:40,750
the last seven decades give or take a

2312
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:43,030
lot of things have happened with

2313
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:46,330
military personnel governmental

2314
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:51,550
personnel I mean my God who always gets

2315
01:40:57,660 --> 01:40:55,090
the blame for hiding their UFO

2316
01:41:01,650 --> 01:40:57,670
information especially in the earlier

2317
01:41:04,350 --> 01:41:01,660
days gene the US Air Force now

2318
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:04,360
when Harry Truman was still in the White

2319
01:41:10,110 --> 01:41:07,510
House okay this is a little-known fact I

2320
01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:10,120
know that I've mentioned this in past

2321
01:41:19,229 --> 01:41:14,280
episodes of the podcast the Navy

2322
01:41:24,300 --> 01:41:19,239
secretary had been on a fact-finding

2323
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:24,310
tour out in Hawaii this is after after

2324
01:41:30,660 --> 01:41:27,940
way after Pearl Harbor okay this is

2325
01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:30,670
years after Pearl Harbor but the biggest

2326
01:41:36,900 --> 01:41:34,060
fear that the military and the

2327
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:36,910
government had especially in light of

2328
01:41:43,090 --> 01:41:40,630
the then Soviet Union's hostility

2329
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:43,100
directed to the West

2330
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:46,260
another Pearl Harbor type situation

2331
01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:49,770
happening only this time it could have

2332
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:52,950
involved nuclear weapons and flying back

2333
01:41:58,940 --> 01:41:55,170
to the continental United States from

2334
01:42:02,150 --> 01:41:58,950
Hawaii his aircraft was buzzed by a

2335
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:02,160
flying saucer a UFO this is well known

2336
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:05,130
well-known case and well-known incident

2337
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,440
and this shocked that naval secretary to

2338
01:42:17,230 --> 01:42:13,440
his core he gets back to the states he

2339
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:17,240
goes back to DC he calls up the

2340
01:42:24,050 --> 01:42:20,850
Secretary of the Air Force and he says

2341
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:24,060
hey this is what happened he said how

2342
01:42:31,970 --> 01:42:26,970
about filling me in on what you guys

2343
01:42:35,330 --> 01:42:31,980
know about this stuff and basically the

2344
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:35,340
Air Force secretary told him to go pound

2345
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:38,400
sand he didn't have a need to know well

2346
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:42,690
guess what that worked the Navy

2347
01:42:49,670 --> 01:42:46,530
secretary to his core once again so they

2348
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:49,680
began their own investigation and we all

2349
01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:51,920
know today that the Naval Intelligence

2350
01:42:59,180 --> 01:42:56,040
Service there's none better than those

2351
01:43:02,600 --> 01:42:59,190
guys we know that they've been involved

2352
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:02,610
in researching this every time something

2353
01:43:09,050 --> 01:43:06,330
happens with the Navy naval vessels

2354
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:09,060
naval aircraft naval ships whatever the

2355
01:43:18,170 --> 01:43:13,440
case is Naval Intelligence gets involved

2356
01:43:23,650 --> 01:43:18,180
and in recent years tremendous numbers

2357
01:43:27,380 --> 01:43:23,660
of us owes unidentified submersible

2358
01:43:29,870 --> 01:43:27,390
objects have been reported all around

2359
01:43:32,930 --> 01:43:29,880
the world and Greg will tell you that

2360
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:32,940
down at Santa Monica there have been

2361
01:43:38,030 --> 01:43:35,730
tremendous sightings of u.s. owes down

2362
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:38,040
there haven't a great deal over the

2363
01:43:42,350 --> 01:43:39,930
years yeah Santa Mona cannon up north

2364
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:42,360
towards significantly enough Point Mugu

2365
01:43:51,230 --> 01:43:46,650
Naval Air Station exactly so these guys

2366
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:51,240
know a heck of a lot a heck of a lot but

2367
01:43:56,209 --> 01:43:53,370
they're not talking either so you know

2368
01:43:58,520 --> 01:43:56,219
whatever it is they know

2369
01:44:01,459 --> 01:43:58,530
if you're waiting for them to open the

2370
01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:01,469
floodgates and let all us Schmucks out

2371
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:06,360
here in civilian land no well don't hold

2372
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:07,830
your breath because you're gonna be

2373
01:44:13,610 --> 01:44:11,250
turning blue pretty quick oh excuse me

2374
01:44:15,979 --> 01:44:13,620
I'm holding my breath that's how it goes

2375
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,989
done we're gonna have to end this

2376
01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:17,760
segment in about a minute and get on to

2377
01:44:20,990 --> 01:44:18,420
the next one

2378
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:21,000
so let's move to this part of the

2379
01:44:25,729 --> 01:44:22,920
discussion I'm gonna ask you and you can

2380
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:25,739
answer in the next segment what is it

2381
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:28,530
that you think the government knows

2382
01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,020
about UFOs do they have any final

2383
01:44:35,470 --> 01:44:33,780
answers or is it the fact that there is

2384
01:44:40,060 --> 01:44:35,480
mystified as the rest of us and

2385
01:44:43,010 --> 01:44:40,070
therefore they don't want to make us

2386
01:44:44,959 --> 01:44:43,020
fearful because they're left in the dark

2387
01:44:46,459 --> 01:44:44,969
they have no idea what's going on we

2388
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:46,469
have a second radio show called after

2389
01:44:51,410 --> 01:44:48,780
the power cast and it could be a wrap-up

2390
01:44:53,300 --> 01:44:51,420
show it can be anything at all we never

2391
01:44:54,919 --> 01:44:53,310
know what to expect and therefore you

2392
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:54,929
won't either and you'll want to listen

2393
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,360
to it as part of the power cast plus we

2394
01:45:01,280 --> 01:44:58,560
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01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:01,290
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01:45:06,260 --> 01:45:03,420
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01:45:08,300 --> 01:45:06,270
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01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:08,310
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

2455
01:48:04,820 --> 01:48:03,480
here's Jane Steinberg Don Ecker what do

2456
01:48:06,580 --> 01:48:04,830
you think the government knows where are

2457
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:06,590
they hiding from us what is the truth

2458
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,960
well Jean if I knew you know what I

2459
01:48:13,580 --> 01:48:11,280
wouldn't be here

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01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:13,590
I'd be out on the lecture tour getting

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01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:16,489
rich okay

2462
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:18,690
well there are already people getting

2463
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:20,400
rich and guess what I don't think they

2464
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:23,610
know anything yeah well I I couldn't

2465
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:26,460
begin to tell you as I said in an

2466
01:48:33,620 --> 01:48:30,420
earlier segment it could be and and once

2467
01:48:36,260 --> 01:48:33,630
again I have to fall back on my personal

2468
01:48:40,970 --> 01:48:36,270
speculation to be any number of things

2469
01:48:44,810 --> 01:48:40,980
however do I think that the government

2470
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:44,820
knows the full entire secret no I don't

2471
01:48:52,609 --> 01:48:47,760
I think in many regards

2472
01:48:56,660 --> 01:48:52,619
they are mystified as you and I are as

2473
01:49:00,320 --> 01:48:56,670
Greg is as everybody is but I do believe

2474
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:00,330
they know a heck of a lot more than we

2475
01:49:07,459 --> 01:49:03,600
do let's face it one of the things that

2476
01:49:10,850 --> 01:49:07,469
came out in this recent UFO incident and

2477
01:49:13,959 --> 01:49:10,860
the disclosure of Harry Reid and Bob

2478
01:49:19,550 --> 01:49:13,969
Bigelow and all that all that stuff

2479
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:19,560
allegedly there are materials through

2480
01:49:26,689 --> 01:49:22,850
some means or process have been

2481
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,699
collected from these objects now how

2482
01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:29,520
would they get their hands on material

2483
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:33,480
well god only knows did some jet jockey

2484
01:49:40,370 --> 01:49:36,690
fire a missile anthem did he open up

2485
01:49:42,770 --> 01:49:40,380
with his guns did they shoot some pieces

2486
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:42,780
and parts off did one come down and

2487
01:49:49,459 --> 01:49:46,260
crash it could be anything but it was

2488
01:49:51,740 --> 01:49:49,469
disclosed that allegedly there is a

2489
01:49:53,540 --> 01:49:51,750
laboratory with some of this exotic

2490
01:49:56,899 --> 01:49:53,550
material now

2491
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:56,909
that claim was made and not a heck of a

2492
01:50:02,810 --> 01:50:00,719
lot else to back it up so is there a

2493
01:50:06,770 --> 01:50:02,820
place where they have material well

2494
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:06,780
probably now here's something else and

2495
01:50:14,299 --> 01:50:11,040
you've got to be somewhat of a historian

2496
01:50:19,819 --> 01:50:14,309
to know this back at wright-patterson

2497
01:50:24,109 --> 01:50:19,829
Air Force Base that was the area 51 of

2498
01:50:28,189 --> 01:50:24,119
its day as a matter of fact that place

2499
01:50:30,620 --> 01:50:28,199
was where allegedly and there was a lot

2500
01:50:33,549 --> 01:50:30,630
of scuttlebutt about it at the time and

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01:50:37,580 --> 01:50:33,559
we're talking practically 70 years ago

2502
01:50:42,319 --> 01:50:37,590
where the remains of whatever was that

2503
01:50:46,370 --> 01:50:42,329
came down at Roswell was stored now for

2504
01:50:48,379 --> 01:50:46,380
all you knew er para cast listeners get

2505
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on your laptop computer

2506
01:50:56,330 --> 01:50:52,349
pull up your search engine and put in

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01:50:59,680 --> 01:50:56,340
there senator Barry Goldwater now

2508
01:51:02,359 --> 01:50:59,690
Goldwater was an extraordinarily

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01:51:07,370 --> 01:51:02,369
prominent senator from the state of

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01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:07,380
Arizona as a matter of fact in 1964 he

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01:51:14,379 --> 01:51:11,130
was the Republican choice to run against

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01:51:17,049 --> 01:51:14,389
then President Lyndon Baines Johnson

2513
01:51:20,899 --> 01:51:17,059
Goldwater of course lost that election

2514
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:20,909
but along with that accomplishment and

2515
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,570
the fact that he was also a United

2516
01:51:29,470 --> 01:51:27,360
States Senator he was also a lieutenant

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01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:29,480
general in the United States Air Force

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01:51:37,580 --> 01:51:33,210
Reserve the general that was in charge

2519
01:51:41,419 --> 01:51:37,590
of the whole Air Force then was bomb him

2520
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:41,429
to the stone-age Curtis LeMay here was

2521
01:51:46,669 --> 01:51:44,489
the guy that ran the United States Air

2522
01:51:49,339 --> 01:51:46,679
Force here was the guy that was on the

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01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:49,349
Joint Chiefs of Staff one of the most

2524
01:51:56,209 --> 01:51:52,530
powerful military men in the military

2525
01:51:58,510 --> 01:51:56,219
hierarchy back in those days and he was

2526
01:52:02,859 --> 01:51:58,520
a personal friend of Barry Goldwater

2527
01:52:06,069 --> 01:52:02,869
Goldwater had a deep fascination with

2528
01:52:08,530 --> 01:52:06,079
UFOs now according to what goldwater's

2529
01:52:12,459 --> 01:52:08,540
in a number of public appearances he

2530
01:52:15,850 --> 01:52:12,469
himself never saw a UFO however he had

2531
01:52:18,549 --> 01:52:15,860
many friends including pilots that did

2532
01:52:20,919 --> 01:52:18,559
he wanted to know what they were he knew

2533
01:52:23,649 --> 01:52:20,929
about the so-called Blue Room at

2534
01:52:26,830 --> 01:52:23,659
wright-patterson Air Force Base he went

2535
01:52:28,510 --> 01:52:26,840
to Curtis LeMay and he asked him on the

2536
01:52:30,729 --> 01:52:28,520
sly hey Kurt

2537
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:30,739
he said I've heard all these rumors

2538
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:32,480
about the Blue Room at wright-patt

2539
01:52:38,290 --> 01:52:34,610
what's the chance you get me in there so

2540
01:52:42,879 --> 01:52:38,300
I can take a look and Goldwater said he

2541
01:52:46,839 --> 01:52:42,889
never had been cursed out like LeMay

2542
01:52:50,260 --> 01:52:46,849
cursed him out in his life when he asked

2543
01:52:53,049 --> 01:52:50,270
that question and LeMay said I can't

2544
01:52:56,319 --> 01:52:53,059
even go in there and by God don't you

2545
01:52:58,780 --> 01:52:56,329
ever ask me about that again well he

2546
01:53:02,109 --> 01:52:58,790
never did but he wasn't shy about

2547
01:53:05,229 --> 01:53:02,119
telling the story so apparently at least

2548
01:53:07,780 --> 01:53:05,239
at one point the Air Force had their

2549
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:07,790
hands on a lot of material but most

2550
01:53:12,339 --> 01:53:10,010
people are not aware of that today is

2551
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:12,349
there a smoking gun there though well

2552
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:15,290
the only smoking gun that I would see

2553
01:53:20,830 --> 01:53:18,650
would be the reaction that LeMay gave

2554
01:53:23,859 --> 01:53:20,840
Goldwater of course they're both

2555
01:53:26,049 --> 01:53:23,869
deceased so there's no way that either

2556
01:53:29,620 --> 01:53:26,059
of them can be questioned about it I

2557
01:53:32,410 --> 01:53:29,630
don't know but other than that the fact

2558
01:53:35,609 --> 01:53:32,420
that it's a public knowledge that LeMay

2559
01:53:39,459 --> 01:53:35,619
came uncorked on senator Barry Goldwater

2560
01:53:41,140 --> 01:53:39,469
I don't know where else to take that or

2561
01:53:43,359 --> 01:53:41,150
it was enacted he wanted him to think

2562
01:53:44,530 --> 01:53:43,369
that I do not know I don't I wasn't

2563
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:44,540
there I don't know what was happening

2564
01:53:50,020 --> 01:53:47,050
and yes I do know that story and you

2565
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:50,030
know it's indicative that there was

2566
01:53:56,020 --> 01:53:52,130
something important there what we do not

2567
01:54:00,520 --> 01:53:56,030
know yeah it's kind of like when another

2568
01:54:04,689 --> 01:54:00,530
guy in the UFO field years ago before he

2569
01:54:08,919 --> 01:54:04,699
went off the rails was Clifford stone

2570
01:54:09,339 --> 01:54:08,929
now stone is a retired sergeant first

2571
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:09,349
class

2572
01:54:16,180 --> 01:54:12,320
SFC East seven from the United States

2573
01:54:18,220 --> 01:54:16,190
Army and back in the 80s and the very

2574
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:18,230
early 90s

2575
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:22,030
before he caught the UFO bug or virus

2576
01:54:32,350 --> 01:54:28,010
and was looking for UFOs stardom had

2577
01:54:36,580 --> 01:54:32,360
been a stellar document finder and one

2578
01:54:40,270 --> 01:54:36,590
of the documents that stone discovered

2579
01:54:43,860 --> 01:54:40,280
if I remember correctly was called moon

2580
01:54:48,340 --> 01:54:43,870
dust I think that was it and what this

2581
01:54:53,410 --> 01:54:48,350
document dealt with was what to do with

2582
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,420
foreign exotic technology that could be

2583
01:54:59,560 --> 01:54:56,000
gleaned from battlefields around the

2584
01:55:03,820 --> 01:54:59,570
world and and what-have-you which mostly

2585
01:55:06,250 --> 01:55:03,830
dealt with enemy aircraft I mean it

2586
01:55:08,980 --> 01:55:06,260
could have been Soviet aircraft Russian

2587
01:55:12,270 --> 01:55:08,990
aircraft Chinese whatever the case was

2588
01:55:15,390 --> 01:55:12,280
but there was also an indication that

2589
01:55:19,540 --> 01:55:15,400
some of it might have been geared toward

2590
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:19,550
unknown or unidentified aircraft that

2591
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:23,450
came down so it's pretty apparent to me

2592
01:55:30,010 --> 01:55:26,930
that our military the American military

2593
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:30,020
has been looking for this stuff and

2594
01:55:36,220 --> 01:55:31,550
picking it up wherever they could find

2595
01:55:38,290 --> 01:55:36,230
it for a very long time yeah and they

2596
01:55:40,890 --> 01:55:38,300
who knows what they're doing with it and

2597
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:40,900
I think what they're gleaning from it is

2598
01:55:47,050 --> 01:55:43,760
something about material science not

2599
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,060
specifically about what the propulsion

2600
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:50,000
system is for whatever that that came

2601
01:55:53,980 --> 01:55:51,290
home to roost when a as you mentioned

2602
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:53,990
they had that blurb in the article about

2603
01:56:01,090 --> 01:55:57,530
having material stored in a facility in

2604
01:56:03,790 --> 01:56:01,100
Las Vegas and Bigelow's building so I

2605
01:56:06,580 --> 01:56:03,800
think that either they found stuff and

2606
01:56:09,190 --> 01:56:06,590
there's definitely artifacts from UFO

2607
01:56:10,990 --> 01:56:09,200
sightings it's what Maury island the

2608
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,000
Hupa tuba stuff I think there's a few

2609
01:56:16,690 --> 01:56:14,480
others and there's probably we don't

2610
01:56:20,500 --> 01:56:16,700
know know about we don't know what we

2611
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:20,510
don't know yeah exactly so I what they

2612
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:22,610
could get this was either you know some

2613
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:25,010
indication of how to build better

2614
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:27,050
materials or maybe how the things flew

2615
01:56:31,610 --> 01:56:29,450
without you know going through the sound

2616
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:31,620
barrier and seemingly not having

2617
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:35,610
aerodynamic effects on the on the on the

2618
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:37,530
whatever shape it is it's flying through

2619
01:56:42,590 --> 01:56:40,320
the air anyway yeah I think that so back

2620
01:56:44,780 --> 01:56:42,600
to the main question what does the

2621
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:44,790
government know I basically agree with

2622
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:46,560
Don I think they know more than we know

2623
01:56:52,010 --> 01:56:49,760
that I do get the distinct feeling that

2624
01:56:55,370 --> 01:56:52,020
having more data doesn't mean it gives

2625
01:56:57,230 --> 01:56:55,380
them more answers well as I said before

2626
01:57:00,590 --> 01:56:57,240
they certainly have sightings that are

2627
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:00,600
no doubt classified because our national

2628
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:02,730
security concerns involving test

2629
01:57:07,190 --> 01:57:05,340
aircraft all sorts of things but whether

2630
01:57:09,890 --> 01:57:07,200
or not they have specific knowledge that

2631
01:57:12,260 --> 01:57:09,900
will advance UFO research may be the

2632
01:57:14,990 --> 01:57:12,270
question mark I suppose we'll have to

2633
01:57:17,900 --> 01:57:15,000
see we have Don Ecker Greg Bishop gene

2634
01:57:20,930 --> 01:57:17,910
Steinberg Chris O'Brien's on a lecture

2635
01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:20,940
tour in California now and we wish them

2636
01:57:31,180 --> 01:57:25,110
the very best with gene Greg and Don

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we're not going to go into great detail

2742
02:02:09,510 --> 02:02:07,090
here we mentioned a couple times and

2743
02:02:12,359 --> 02:02:09,520
after the power cast the Greg is working

2744
02:02:14,669 --> 02:02:12,369
on a new book about the contact a moment

2745
02:02:16,709 --> 02:02:14,679
and once the book is out we'll have him

2746
02:02:19,140 --> 02:02:16,719
and his co-author back on to talk about

2747
02:02:21,959 --> 02:02:19,150
this in more detail but Greg what

2748
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:21,969
attracts you so the contactee movement I

2749
02:02:25,370 --> 02:02:23,050
think a lot of people just think you're

2750
02:02:29,490 --> 02:02:25,380
a bunch of wacky people that hung out

2751
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:29,500
5060 years ago I think there's a lot of

2752
02:02:35,339 --> 02:02:32,320
things you can look at as in terms of

2753
02:02:37,410 --> 02:02:35,349
social movements and why people join

2754
02:02:39,530 --> 02:02:37,420
these social movements and why people

2755
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:39,540
have strange ideas about things and how

2756
02:02:47,970 --> 02:02:44,110
that was came out in society which was a

2757
02:02:50,490 --> 02:02:47,980
very different society than in the 1950

2758
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:50,500
60s a little bit after that then we have

2759
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:53,650
now and I'm just fascinated when anybody

2760
02:02:59,010 --> 02:02:55,570
has a different and strange and

2761
02:03:01,500 --> 02:02:59,020
completely off the charts belief system

2762
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:01,510
than I do or at people I know it's just

2763
02:03:05,129 --> 02:03:03,250
it's like going it's like being a

2764
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:05,139
tourist in a strange land except all you

2765
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:06,400
have to do is start reading their stuff

2766
02:03:10,740 --> 02:03:08,320
and watching old videos and listening to

2767
02:03:14,550 --> 02:03:10,750
their recordings we gathered information

2768
02:03:16,530 --> 02:03:14,560
from we expanded the idea of contact D

2769
02:03:18,930 --> 02:03:16,540
so we've got people in there that one

2770
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:18,940
you've never heard of Mollie Thompson

2771
02:03:22,859 --> 02:03:20,530
you might have heard of certainly

2772
02:03:25,950 --> 02:03:22,869
nobody's really heard of Paulina Peavy

2773
02:03:28,379 --> 02:03:25,960
who was active from the 1930s to the 90s

2774
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:28,389
she was she was active almost all of her

2775
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:30,159
life and said she channeled aliens and

2776
02:03:33,930 --> 02:03:32,650
made paintings and things and it's

2777
02:03:35,850 --> 02:03:33,940
fascinating I love it when people

2778
02:03:38,850 --> 02:03:35,860
produce something besides just like a

2779
02:03:41,879 --> 02:03:38,860
book and she did artwork but we expanded

2780
02:03:44,129 --> 02:03:41,889
the idea so we went back to Madame

2781
02:03:46,220 --> 02:03:44,139
Blavatsky who said some of her extended

2782
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:46,230
masters were from Mars and Venus and

2783
02:03:52,530 --> 02:03:48,400
took it all the way up to the present

2784
02:03:55,830 --> 02:03:52,540
day i we've included Charles Hickson the

2785
02:03:58,560 --> 02:03:55,840
Pascagoula abduction guy because he said

2786
02:03:59,430 --> 02:03:58,570
that he got messages that a during his

2787
02:04:01,410 --> 02:03:59,440
abduction and

2788
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:01,420
later people don't realize he had I

2789
02:04:06,270 --> 02:04:04,000
think three more experiences where he

2790
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:06,280
said they whatever it was his aliens or

2791
02:04:09,870 --> 02:04:08,050
whatever he had seen told him they were

2792
02:04:12,630 --> 02:04:09,880
going to return that he'd been chosen to

2793
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:12,640
give a message to the world about world

2794
02:04:15,959 --> 02:04:13,090
peace

2795
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:15,969
classic contact ISTA but nobody thinks

2796
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:17,440
about him in that way they just think of

2797
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:19,870
him as that guy who was abducted in in

2798
02:04:24,090 --> 02:04:21,760
Pascagoula Mississippi by things that

2799
02:04:26,459 --> 02:04:24,100
look like robots with elephant skin or

2800
02:04:30,060 --> 02:04:26,469
whatever but he not only did he have

2801
02:04:33,959 --> 02:04:30,070
three more contacts one of them was with

2802
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:33,969
most of his family most of his relatives

2803
02:04:37,860 --> 02:04:36,010
there were I think six or eight people

2804
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:37,870
in the car and they were driving through

2805
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:39,610
the woods here and I think southern

2806
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,210
Louisiana or Mississippi and they had a

2807
02:04:47,340 --> 02:04:45,520
giant craft follow them and then hover

2808
02:04:49,620 --> 02:04:47,350
over the road and scare the crap out of

2809
02:04:51,180 --> 02:04:49,630
everybody and his wife wouldn't talk

2810
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:51,190
about it really she didn't want to and

2811
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:53,530
it freaked her out so much and people

2812
02:04:57,990 --> 02:04:56,170
don't realize this and he's one of those

2813
02:05:00,330 --> 02:04:58,000
people that are repeaters that J Allen

2814
02:05:01,590 --> 02:05:00,340
Hynek used to be very scared of because

2815
02:05:03,930 --> 02:05:01,600
it made him make people think that

2816
02:05:05,459 --> 02:05:03,940
people are just telling stories but I

2817
02:05:07,229 --> 02:05:05,469
think that's a part of the way that you

2818
02:05:10,140 --> 02:05:07,239
follow G is changing now we're looking

2819
02:05:12,810 --> 02:05:10,150
more at what the witness says what they

2820
02:05:14,430 --> 02:05:12,820
felt what they you know what and their

2821
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:14,440
feelings about it because that's not

2822
02:05:18,570 --> 02:05:16,330
something you put in a database can I

2823
02:05:22,500 --> 02:05:18,580
can I pop in here for just a second and

2824
02:05:25,410 --> 02:05:22,510
I want to get your response to this the

2825
02:05:28,979 --> 02:05:25,420
one thing about the contactee movement

2826
02:05:33,330 --> 02:05:28,989
going back to the early 50s up through

2827
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:33,340
the early to mid 1960s that fascinated

2828
02:05:40,050 --> 02:05:36,370
me to no end and this is something that

2829
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:40,060
many people may not be aware of but the

2830
02:05:48,150 --> 02:05:45,130
contactee movement gave fits fits to the

2831
02:05:51,810 --> 02:05:48,160
power structure to people like the FBI

2832
02:05:54,900 --> 02:05:51,820
the CIA the military they didn't talk

2833
02:05:58,830 --> 02:05:54,910
about it publicly but they gave fits

2834
02:06:03,120 --> 02:05:58,840
because all of those contactees had one

2835
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:03,130
underlying theme that the purportedly

2836
02:06:09,439 --> 02:06:06,370
the aliens passed on during their

2837
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:09,449
contact sessions and that was an

2838
02:06:15,940 --> 02:06:13,130
anti-nuclear power thing get rid

2839
02:06:18,610 --> 02:06:15,950
your weapons get rid of your atomic

2840
02:06:22,090 --> 02:06:18,620
bombs your H bombs and all that kind of

2841
02:06:24,580 --> 02:06:22,100
stuff now most people would you know

2842
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:24,590
would would look at that and they would

2843
02:06:29,470 --> 02:06:27,410
smile they would laugh you know what

2844
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:29,480
these people the feds

2845
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:33,050
however weren't laughing and there were

2846
02:06:38,590 --> 02:06:34,850
many people within the federal

2847
02:06:41,500 --> 02:06:38,600
bureaucracy within the CIA the the FBI

2848
02:06:45,610 --> 02:06:41,510
what-have-you and remember this was the

2849
02:06:49,300 --> 02:06:45,620
time of the great Red Scare that saw

2850
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:49,310
these as commies or commie sympathizers

2851
02:06:57,970 --> 02:06:53,530
maybe even knowingly or unknowingly

2852
02:07:02,170 --> 02:06:57,980
agents of the KGB and this was something

2853
02:07:03,940 --> 02:07:02,180
that I found fascinating too to read

2854
02:07:05,590 --> 02:07:03,950
some of the behind the scenes stuff

2855
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:05,600
about that and Greg what do you think

2856
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:08,510
about that you bring up a good point I

2857
02:07:13,180 --> 02:07:10,370
think that comes up a few places in the

2858
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:13,190
book they're FBI files on a lot of these

2859
02:07:17,140 --> 02:07:15,230
people and not even minor contactees

2860
02:07:18,850 --> 02:07:17,150
because they thought they had a

2861
02:07:21,100 --> 02:07:18,860
legitimate concern because the the the

2862
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:21,110
because the Cold War everything was like

2863
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:24,560
doll senses all all paranoia everything

2864
02:07:28,180 --> 02:07:26,960
was heightened whether it was justified

2865
02:07:30,670 --> 02:07:28,190
or not I think in the case of the

2866
02:07:32,350 --> 02:07:30,680
contactees they never had never really

2867
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:32,360
gelled into a movement it was going to

2868
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:34,130
affect very many people but they wanted

2869
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:36,890
to stomp out any little bit of communism

2870
02:07:42,370 --> 02:07:40,970
or communist appearing things they as I

2871
02:07:44,440 --> 02:07:42,380
think you mentioned they they said they

2872
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:44,450
the aliens came from planets there where

2873
02:07:48,100 --> 02:07:45,920
there was no private property everything

2874
02:07:50,710 --> 02:07:48,110
was out this collectivist thing which

2875
02:07:52,330 --> 02:07:50,720
which really scared them as well so I

2876
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,340
think they were you know one trying to

2877
02:07:56,260 --> 02:07:54,320
monitor it to see who was you know who

2878
02:07:57,640 --> 02:07:56,270
was interested in to if something did

2879
02:07:59,020 --> 02:07:57,650
start to happen they would nip it in the

2880
02:08:01,540 --> 02:07:59,030
bud but I don't think they ever really

2881
02:08:04,210 --> 02:08:01,550
needed to do that because the the

2882
02:08:06,070 --> 02:08:04,220
contactees were so out of left field

2883
02:08:07,660 --> 02:08:06,080
that most people didn't listen to them

2884
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:07,670
right even though one of them did run

2885
02:08:11,260 --> 02:08:09,170
for public office he just didn't give

2886
02:08:14,380 --> 02:08:11,270
her Gabe Green and I hate sick Jay green

2887
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:14,390
right he ran against Kennedy he got I

2888
02:08:18,700 --> 02:08:16,880
think he got seventy eighty thousand

2889
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:18,710
votes in California which wasn't

2890
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:20,090
insignificant but you know they're all

2891
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:23,770
flying saucer wackos voted for him yeah

2892
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:26,570
yeah but but that that

2893
02:08:34,900 --> 02:08:29,810
has always fascinated me you know it

2894
02:08:37,570 --> 02:08:34,910
made me wonder and I did wonder how many

2895
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:37,580
of those contacts may have been

2896
02:08:44,590 --> 02:08:41,330
perceived by the contactees as a real

2897
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:44,600
event and then how many just might have

2898
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:47,450
been jumping on a bandwagon to see if

2899
02:08:51,670 --> 02:08:49,010
they could get up there with a damn

2900
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:51,680
skier you know some of some of the other

2901
02:08:58,270 --> 02:08:55,850
contactees in in the public eye it's

2902
02:09:00,670 --> 02:08:58,280
hard to say yeah it is hard to say but

2903
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:00,680
then there was this weird argument that

2904
02:09:05,020 --> 02:09:02,570
George hunt Williamson and George

2905
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:05,030
Adamski got into after they went out to

2906
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:07,010
the desert and supposedly you know or

2907
02:09:11,290 --> 02:09:08,570
thon came down and they took casts

2908
02:09:13,390 --> 02:09:11,300
plaster cast on his footprints etc they

2909
02:09:15,250 --> 02:09:13,400
got in a big argument Adamski argued

2910
02:09:17,050 --> 02:09:15,260
that channeled material should not be

2911
02:09:20,260 --> 02:09:17,060
entered into the contactee lore because

2912
02:09:23,470 --> 02:09:20,270
it wasn't reliable only face-to-face

2913
02:09:25,180 --> 02:09:23,480
contact as a dance kid had Williams had

2914
02:09:27,790 --> 02:09:25,190
never had such a thing but he channeled

2915
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:27,800
his butt off every chance he got so

2916
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:29,690
there are these you know two schools of

2917
02:09:33,940 --> 02:09:31,760
thought about how you should how you

2918
02:09:37,150 --> 02:09:33,950
should conduct yourself as a contact D

2919
02:09:39,250 --> 02:09:37,160
so you could you could make up a story

2920
02:09:41,770 --> 02:09:39,260
about anything I have a feeling that

2921
02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:41,780
probably a majority of them really

2922
02:09:45,850 --> 02:09:43,250
sincerely thought they had met people

2923
02:09:48,010 --> 02:09:45,860
from other planets or they had initially

2924
02:09:50,170 --> 02:09:48,020
had some weird sighting or something

2925
02:09:52,270 --> 02:09:50,180
that happened to them or a hypnagogic

2926
02:09:53,890 --> 02:09:52,280
dream or something like that and that

2927
02:09:56,290 --> 02:09:53,900
made it okay for them to start making

2928
02:09:57,610 --> 02:09:56,300
stuff up later or you know to interpret

2929
02:10:00,670 --> 02:09:57,620
everything that they thought as some

2930
02:10:02,140 --> 02:10:00,680
real experience will have more

2931
02:10:04,510 --> 02:10:02,150
possibilities about the contactee

2932
02:10:05,740 --> 02:10:04,520
movement and of course would not give

2933
02:10:07,810 --> 02:10:05,750
you much for a preview of the book

2934
02:10:09,490 --> 02:10:07,820
because we'll get to that in a future

2935
02:10:10,510 --> 02:10:09,500
discussion but in general I think

2936
02:10:13,660 --> 02:10:10,520
there's some interesting possibilities

2937
02:10:21,150 --> 02:10:13,670
here we've got Don Ecker Jean Steinberg

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce a blonde the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio now just a couple of

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the things I would want to mention may

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be one when we had Nick Redfern on a few

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times he's mentioned the case of Orfeo

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Angelou cheek where this time he meets

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somebody over at a diner somewhere I'm

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not sure if he was a military-type maybe

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you remember Greg no no wasn't but he

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takes this tab or something and then the

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quote to certain lyric from a certain

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song he went into a dream yeah so either

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that would indicate some kind of it's

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funny Don was kind of hinting at this a

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little bit I think that the interest may

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have gone beyond just being interested

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in actually messing with people in a

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mkultra type way I don't think that

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happened with Angelo G but I suppose

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it's possibility well let's not forget

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that's when there were a lot of people

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slipping things like LSD into

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unsuspecting victims during the MKULTRA

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stuff and hey to me let's face it those

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contactees it would seem to me would

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have been prime candidates to fiddle

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around with it's a a very good candidate

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for some further research grounds for

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further researches Dave memory used to

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say yeah I mean those people were they

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were out there in the middle of you know

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metaphorically speaking in the middle of

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the boulevard with a huge target on them

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[Laughter]

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about it in those terms pasts you know

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just speculating but it would be

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interesting to find if there anybody

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could foi a anything to do with people

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from non-scheduled religious and

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political movements being used in

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some of these MKULTRA unwitting

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experiments as Frank Olson was but he

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wasn't one of those uses just the

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government scientists there's a good

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series right now on where's it Netflix

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or something called wormwood about the

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Frank Olsen case I've just started

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watching it that's true and let us not

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forget that during that period of time

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the FBI the Central Intelligence Agency

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were keeping an eye on these people just

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about then the anti-war movement was

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gearing up because of Johnson's

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increased sending of troops supplies

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what have you into Vietnam the whole

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structure was was beginning to

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reverberate and then along about 1965-66

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the hillsdale case happened which

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created a huge absolutely huge news

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splurge on UFOs once again my camp was

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still in the ballgame then with major

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Keyhoe

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people like Gerald Ford future President

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of the United States when Nixon resigned

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from office was interested in what was

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going on they all pushed for a project

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Bluebook and what became the Condon

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committee research effort at Colorado

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University I mean there were tremendous

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things happening both on the social

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front as well as on the UFO front I mean

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those were some incredibly frantic and

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well frantic anyway frantic times yeah

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everybody's like I think I sort of said

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before everybody's senses and paranoia

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and everything was heightened at the

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time and I think it did you know it

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ended up the way the decade ended with

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it you know JFK and okay and Martin

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Luther King and the Manson Family and

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all that it kind of all fell apart at

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the end I think just because of the

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interaction between two warring factions

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that were completely at odds with each

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other and completely

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scared of each other and that's what

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happens but I see that sort of happening

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now and it's it's worrisome yeah it's a

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mess it's an absolute tremendously messy

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mess you bet yeah we got 10 minutes Jean

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yes we do and we have to look here at

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what's happening in terms of the

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contactee movement it's mostly gone

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except for people like Billy Mayer

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though I wanted yeah I wanted to ask

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Greg about about that speaking of

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contactees one of the only ones that I'm

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aware of left anymore is the Maier

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organization or as some people call it

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02:19:55,961 --> 02:19:52,400
the Maier cult what's your bottom line

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02:20:00,511 --> 02:19:55,971
on that Greg do you think he actually

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had some type of legitimate incident

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maybe even got a real photograph or two

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02:20:11,041 --> 02:20:08,780
it didn't take any expertise to make a

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02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:11,051
determination that a lot of that

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material that flowed from the mire cult

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was fabricated at best and you know

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02:20:24,940 --> 02:20:21,771
misinterpreted at worse but what do you

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02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:24,950
think about that that situation well

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02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:27,200
knowing I sort of went into his history

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02:20:31,480 --> 02:20:29,210
and where he was born and he had an

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02:20:33,131 --> 02:20:31,490
accident he was in a bus accident that

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02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:33,141
when he was in his 20s I think that's

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02:20:37,450 --> 02:20:35,450
what he lost his arm he was basically a

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02:20:42,490 --> 02:20:37,460
spiritual seeker I think he went to

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02:20:44,381 --> 02:20:42,500
India for a while and I think he liked a

3161
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:44,391
lot of these contact he's he primed his

3162
02:20:50,890 --> 02:20:47,450
own pump so to speak to have some kind

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02:20:53,230 --> 02:20:50,900
of strange experience whether you know

3164
02:20:55,751 --> 02:20:53,240
did you know he deserted from the French

3165
02:20:57,881 --> 02:20:55,761
Foreign Legion I I didn't know he desert

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02:21:02,171 --> 02:20:57,891
oh that's right yes I did yes I actually

3167
02:21:03,791 --> 02:21:02,181
wrote my McMahon tree on the entry on

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02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:03,801
billy meier and yeah yeah I did I do

3169
02:21:07,631 --> 02:21:05,570
recall that he did that he ran away to

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02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:07,641
join but then he deserted and I think

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02:21:11,230 --> 02:21:09,200
ran off to India or somewhere in the

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02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:11,240
Middle East and eventually made his way

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02:21:20,290 --> 02:21:14,210
back to Switzerland isn't the land of

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02:21:23,260 --> 02:21:20,300
his birth but as to your first question

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02:21:25,570 --> 02:21:23,270
I don't I'm not sure if he ever got a

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02:21:29,139 --> 02:21:25,580
real picture of anything I'm inclined to

3177
02:21:31,389 --> 02:21:29,149
think because he's like I said was self

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02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:31,399
selected to be sort of a seeker and a

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02:21:37,630 --> 02:21:35,450
spiritual person that whatever

3180
02:21:40,540 --> 02:21:37,640
experiences he had made it okay for him

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02:21:43,330 --> 02:21:40,550
to make up these pictures in fact but

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02:21:44,830 --> 02:21:43,340
you know the not I don't have any

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02:21:47,710 --> 02:21:44,840
disagreement for most people that I

3184
02:21:51,580 --> 02:21:47,720
think the vast majority or if not all of

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02:21:53,559 --> 02:21:51,590
them are faint I don't know if that you

3186
02:21:57,219 --> 02:21:53,569
know it doesn't it doesn't diminish some

3187
02:21:58,750 --> 02:21:57,229
of the spiritual what messages that come

3188
02:22:01,750 --> 02:21:58,760
through contact these they're great ones

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02:22:02,889 --> 02:22:01,760
it's just that you know sometimes I

3190
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:02,899
think people take it a little too

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02:22:05,860 --> 02:22:03,680
seriously

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02:22:08,400 --> 02:22:05,870
there are two or three other groups

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02:22:11,170 --> 02:22:08,410
still around from that from the old

3194
02:22:13,450 --> 02:22:11,180
contactee movement I know of at least to

3195
02:22:15,250 --> 02:22:13,460
the ethereal society who I visit every

3196
02:22:16,900 --> 02:22:15,260
few months here in Los Angeles they're

3197
02:22:19,929 --> 02:22:16,910
still here even though George King the

3198
02:22:21,639 --> 02:22:19,939
founder died about 10 years ago and the

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02:22:23,620 --> 02:22:21,649
unary society in San Diego is still

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02:22:26,679 --> 02:22:23,630
going even though their founder their

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02:22:29,050 --> 02:22:26,689
last founder ruth norman died i don't

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know i think around the same time they

3203
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both been gone for years and that the

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groups are still going strong in the

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ethereal society I actually like them

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they have a very they have a very you

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know peaceful non nondenominational non

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confrontational message of brotherly

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love and all that they just couch it in

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very strange terms the best thing I like

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about them is they then all the years

3212
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I've known them they've never tried to

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recruit me or you know make me see the

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things their way or really care if I

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believed in what they were saying or not

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they really don't care and I they've got

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a special place in my heart because of

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that well maybe they figure if you come

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there long enough you'll adapt there is

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an organization out there I do not

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recall the name but we were offered the

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opportunity to interview someone who

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still believes and advances the cause of

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George Adamski message from him - right

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and when I communicated with the

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assistant and I said are you aware of

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all these efforts in which

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a damn C was exposed and I sent a link

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as we have it at the gym Mosely dot-com

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website that Kurt Collins is running for

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02:23:46,130 --> 02:23:43,860
us I sent him the link to the George

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Adamski expose issue from saucer news

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02:23:51,830 --> 02:23:49,140
back in like 1957 which is probably one

3234
02:23:53,420 --> 02:23:51,840
of the best things they ever did and I

3235
02:23:55,340 --> 02:23:53,430
never heard back from them so I don't

3236
02:23:57,860 --> 02:23:55,350
know if I destroyed somebody's belief

3237
02:24:01,340 --> 02:23:57,870
system or not but I was really surprised

3238
02:24:04,310 --> 02:24:01,350
after all these years that anyone cares

3239
02:24:06,740 --> 02:24:04,320
about George Adamski anymore except as a

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curiosity or in terms of exploring the

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movement at what it might have meant

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we've got more to come Don Ecker Jean

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Steinberg Greg Bishop you're in haejin's

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hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor

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paranormal radio hey gents it's the para

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cast know someone said that already

3340
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Greg Bishop Don Ecker jeans Steinberg

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02:29:12,960 --> 02:29:11,630
now one thing I wanted to bring up

3342
02:29:16,330 --> 02:29:12,970
because maybe you mentioned it earlier

3343
02:29:18,280 --> 02:29:16,340
Greg and Don is it possible some of

3344
02:29:21,099 --> 02:29:18,290
these contactees had some kind of real

3345
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:21,109
experience sizes implied here and it's

3346
02:29:24,849 --> 02:29:23,840
not just deciding to invent stuff it's

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02:29:26,860 --> 02:29:24,859
doing it because they're getting

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attention these are people who were

3349
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basically unknown under the radar no

3350
02:29:34,570 --> 02:29:32,300
great achievements in their life and

3351
02:29:36,460 --> 02:29:34,580
suddenly something really weird happens

3352
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:36,470
to them and they get all this attention

3353
02:29:41,440 --> 02:29:39,530
they become a celebrity and then you've

3354
02:29:42,730 --> 02:29:41,450
got the kind of audience that is

3355
02:29:46,059 --> 02:29:42,740
expecting more

3356
02:29:48,700 --> 02:29:46,069
what's your encore what's your sequel

3357
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:48,710
but it never happens again so they make

3358
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:51,920
it up I would say yes and it's still

3359
02:29:56,050 --> 02:29:54,080
going on and it's going on in the UFO

3360
02:29:57,250 --> 02:29:56,060
community right now Don what were you

3361
02:29:59,980 --> 02:29:57,260
trying to say before he went to the

3362
02:30:02,080 --> 02:29:59,990
break oh I was just saying to gene he

3363
02:30:05,080 --> 02:30:02,090
was afraid that he may have destroyed

3364
02:30:08,410 --> 02:30:05,090
somebody's belief in a damn ski and I

3365
02:30:11,230 --> 02:30:08,420
was simply going to say gene don't lose

3366
02:30:15,309 --> 02:30:11,240
any sleep over it because a true

3367
02:30:18,809 --> 02:30:15,319
believer will believe I was only half

3368
02:30:20,830 --> 02:30:18,819
serious yeah you see it everywhere now

3369
02:30:22,420 --> 02:30:20,840
there's true believers of every

3370
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:22,430
strengths and everything no matter what

3371
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:24,170
you tell them what you show them of what

3372
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:27,050
their opinion is not going to change in

3373
02:30:32,110 --> 02:30:29,600
fact it's a horrible thing to change

3374
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,120
your opinion which and I think in any

3375
02:30:36,010 --> 02:30:34,160
kind of civilized society it'd be a

3376
02:30:38,340 --> 02:30:36,020
great thing to change your opinion when

3377
02:30:40,599 --> 02:30:38,350
you find out information that

3378
02:30:42,730 --> 02:30:40,609
contradicts what you previously believed

3379
02:30:44,530 --> 02:30:42,740
but the way the human mind works so this

3380
02:30:46,120 --> 02:30:44,540
has been explained by a psychologist and

3381
02:30:48,250 --> 02:30:46,130
everything is that if you've got a

3382
02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:48,260
belief you're going to reinforce that

3383
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:50,450
belief with everything you can and if

3384
02:30:53,940 --> 02:30:52,850
somebody somebody attacks it instead of

3385
02:30:55,770 --> 02:30:53,950
re-examining your

3386
02:30:58,171 --> 02:30:55,780
you've become even more invested in the

3387
02:31:02,400 --> 02:30:58,181
belief system the perfect case in point

3388
02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:02,410
in this toxic toxic society we live in

3389
02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:05,110
today is the political spectrum

3390
02:31:12,120 --> 02:31:08,650
there's nothing anymore poignant to

3391
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prove that point than politics today and

3392
02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:14,500
you're absolutely correct it doesn't

3393
02:31:19,591 --> 02:31:17,170
matter which side of the spectrum you

3394
02:31:22,860 --> 02:31:19,601
fall down on because they're both in my

3395
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:22,870
opinion equally guilty yes I have

3396
02:31:28,171 --> 02:31:25,210
fanaticism reign supreme that's another

3397
02:31:29,970 --> 02:31:28,181
problem with any political and human

3398
02:31:32,881 --> 02:31:29,980
endeavor at least in the West here and

3399
02:31:35,131 --> 02:31:32,891
the media that we're soaked in is that

3400
02:31:37,591 --> 02:31:35,141
the loudest person is generally the

3401
02:31:39,841 --> 02:31:37,601
least subtle and the least able to hold

3402
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:39,851
up their point of view so they just yell

3403
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the loudest and like any kind of

3404
02:31:44,820 --> 02:31:42,760
conversation

3405
02:31:46,921 --> 02:31:44,830
whoever yells the loudest has the floor

3406
02:31:48,631 --> 02:31:46,931
and that's unfortunate because the more

3407
02:31:50,870 --> 02:31:48,641
more thoughtful people wait for them to

3408
02:31:54,660 --> 02:31:50,880
finish but they just keep yelling and

3409
02:31:58,140 --> 02:31:54,670
unfortunately it off times will devolve

3410
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into violent acts and we've seen that

3411
02:32:01,980 --> 02:32:00,970
too and you're right Greg it is

3412
02:32:04,890 --> 02:32:01,990
terrifying

3413
02:32:05,881 --> 02:32:04,900
yeah and I see it constantly it's why I

3414
02:32:07,801 --> 02:32:05,891
yes

3415
02:32:09,780 --> 02:32:07,811
made up those t-shirts that say do not

3416
02:32:12,091 --> 02:32:09,790
engage like if you're not learning

3417
02:32:14,610 --> 02:32:12,101
anything from somebody if there's not an

3418
02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:14,620
exchange of ideas going on disengage

3419
02:32:17,690 --> 02:32:16,000
from that conversation it's not a

3420
02:32:20,551 --> 02:32:17,700
conversation it's just the yelling match

3421
02:32:22,830 --> 02:32:20,561
why again goes back to the bubble in

3422
02:32:24,631 --> 02:32:22,840
which so many people live in they

3423
02:32:27,450 --> 02:32:24,641
reinforce their belief systems but

3424
02:32:29,730 --> 02:32:27,460
nobody learns anything if someone comes

3425
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:29,740
over and presents something new oh no

3426
02:32:34,440 --> 02:32:32,050
that's bad news that's conservative or

3427
02:32:36,690 --> 02:32:34,450
that's liberal or that's whatever it is

3428
02:32:38,400 --> 02:32:36,700
yeah I get excited if somebody has a

3429
02:32:40,381 --> 02:32:38,410
different point of view I'm gonna take a

3430
02:32:42,450 --> 02:32:40,391
real hard look at it very very quickly

3431
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:42,460
to see if I think there's anything there

3432
02:32:48,750 --> 02:32:46,090
but I try not I'm human too but I try

3433
02:32:50,131 --> 02:32:48,760
not to be automatically against

3434
02:32:52,230 --> 02:32:50,141
something just because it doesn't agree

3435
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:52,240
with my preconceptions and I've had my

3436
02:32:55,890 --> 02:32:54,610
mind changed more than once and I think

3437
02:32:58,080 --> 02:32:55,900
that's a great thing it's one of the

3438
02:33:00,301 --> 02:32:58,090
most exciting things I think to change

3439
02:33:01,921 --> 02:33:00,311
my mind even if there's even if there's

3440
02:33:04,801 --> 02:33:01,931
some crow eating to go along with it

3441
02:33:07,469 --> 02:33:04,811
well eating crow is not bad I think my

3442
02:33:09,599 --> 02:33:07,479
opinions on UFOs have certainly

3443
02:33:12,689 --> 02:33:09,609
changed I started out reading Donald

3444
02:33:15,059 --> 02:33:12,699
Kehoe so I hung on his every word but I

3445
02:33:16,620 --> 02:33:15,069
was just a kid and I started talking to

3446
02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:16,630
people and started reading around I said

3447
02:33:21,899 --> 02:33:19,449
this is not quite where we're supposed

3448
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:21,909
to be yeah challenge yourself all the

3449
02:33:26,519 --> 02:33:23,920
time I think it's a it's a brave thing

3450
02:33:28,920 --> 02:33:26,529
to do and if more people did it I think

3451
02:33:30,779 --> 02:33:28,930
people would be less divided I've never

3452
02:33:33,809 --> 02:33:30,789
seen people more divided it really

3453
02:33:35,160 --> 02:33:33,819
really bothers me and I don't know what

3454
02:33:36,090 --> 02:33:35,170
that's do to it you know probably

3455
02:33:37,170 --> 02:33:36,100
something to do with the internet

3456
02:33:39,540 --> 02:33:37,180
something to do with the schooling

3457
02:33:40,920 --> 02:33:39,550
system something generational but it's

3458
02:33:43,979 --> 02:33:40,930
very obvious to me two people are

3459
02:33:47,609 --> 02:33:43,989
extremely divided ever since I got my

3460
02:33:52,590 --> 02:33:47,619
first computer back in the the very end

3461
02:33:55,889 --> 02:33:52,600
of 1987 I've noticed a phenomenon with

3462
02:33:58,529 --> 02:33:55,899
the computer technology and that is real

3463
02:34:01,380 --> 02:33:58,539
simple you meet somebody on the street

3464
02:34:04,290 --> 02:34:01,390
you smile you shake hands you have a

3465
02:34:06,929 --> 02:34:04,300
polite conversation everything's well

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02:34:10,439 --> 02:34:06,939
and good you go home you get on your

3467
02:34:13,859 --> 02:34:10,449
computer and now you're anonymous and

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the internet and your keyboard shield

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you and you no longer have to focus

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02:34:24,569 --> 02:34:22,260
yourself constraint you can just let fly

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02:34:27,330 --> 02:34:24,579
flaming that's what they used to call it

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02:34:30,929 --> 02:34:27,340
back in the day flame wars that was the

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the precursor to this no longer civil

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society that we live in and it's

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personified geometrically on places like

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02:34:43,559 --> 02:34:39,609
Facebook and as a result I have been

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02:34:46,679 --> 02:34:43,569
limited limiting my exposure to it as

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02:34:49,109 --> 02:34:46,689
much as possible what I do on Facebook

3479
02:34:51,149 --> 02:34:49,119
and our listeners know we have a para

3480
02:34:53,160 --> 02:34:51,159
cast fan club a couple of them there I

3481
02:34:56,219 --> 02:34:53,170
post announcements about the show I

3482
02:34:58,920 --> 02:34:56,229
answer questions and I contact some

3483
02:35:01,500 --> 02:34:58,930
people off and on in facebook Messenger

3484
02:35:03,540 --> 02:35:01,510
especially since aim the original AOL

3485
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:03,550
Instant Messenger went down the dumps

3486
02:35:10,700 --> 02:35:07,359
some weeks back so right now the instant

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02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:10,710
messaging app I use is mostly Facebook

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02:35:14,420 --> 02:35:12,970
occasionally my son uses whatsapp

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02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:14,430
because it has very good audio quality

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02:35:20,489 --> 02:35:18,010
for making free phone calls we're just

3491
02:35:20,881 --> 02:35:20,499
about out of time Greg Bishop tell us a

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02:35:22,470 --> 02:35:20,891
little

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02:35:24,451 --> 02:35:22,480
more about when this books gonna be out

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02:35:26,761 --> 02:35:24,461
do you have a title yet a working title

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02:35:30,291 --> 02:35:26,771
the books gonna be called a is for a

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02:35:33,631 --> 02:35:30,301
damn ski it has a beautiful cover it is

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02:35:36,001 --> 02:35:33,641
probably in the next two to three months

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02:35:38,430 --> 02:35:36,011
I'm not exactly sure yet

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02:35:41,310 --> 02:35:38,440
Adam go rightly is publishing it it's

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02:35:44,071 --> 02:35:41,320
basically a coffee table book with a lot

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02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:44,081
of good text in it and it will include

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02:35:47,640 --> 02:35:46,240
many many many photographs images and

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02:35:50,310 --> 02:35:47,650
all that which have not been seen before

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02:35:51,511 --> 02:35:50,320
or not in a long time if you want to

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02:35:52,741 --> 02:35:51,521
find out what I'm doing probably the

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02:35:55,321 --> 02:35:52,751
best thing to do we see they go to the

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02:35:59,100 --> 02:35:55,331
Facebook group for Rio Mysterio so or go

3508
02:36:01,201 --> 02:35:59,110
to the page the red mysterioso dot-com

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02:36:05,491 --> 02:36:01,211
page to see what the latest shows are

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02:36:07,980 --> 02:36:05,501
Don Ecker you're back on the air as of

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02:36:12,091 --> 02:36:07,990
some months back tell us more

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02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:12,101
yeah since July my show dark matters

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02:36:20,341 --> 02:36:16,990
radio airs on kgr a radio calm Friday

3514
02:36:23,251 --> 02:36:20,351
and Saturday evenings the show begins at

3515
02:36:25,411 --> 02:36:23,261
5:00 p.m. Pacific it runs for two hours

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02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:25,421
although we had a special show last

3517
02:36:34,531 --> 02:36:29,490
Saturday that was a three hour special

3518
02:36:38,821 --> 02:36:34,541
we do that occasionally you know I have

3519
02:36:43,461 --> 02:36:38,831
been keeping my toe in the UFO pond as

3520
02:36:48,121 --> 02:36:43,471
much as is necessary I still find this

3521
02:36:51,991 --> 02:36:48,131
well golly I hesitate to say this but

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02:36:54,331 --> 02:36:52,001
it's true I still find it exciting upon

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02:36:59,131 --> 02:36:54,341
occasion and I gotta tell you this most

3524
02:37:03,390 --> 02:36:59,141
recent UFO disclosures if you will no

3525
02:37:06,661 --> 02:37:03,400
pun intended with Harry Reid what have

3526
02:37:09,150 --> 02:37:06,671
you I still and I feel guilty about it

3527
02:37:11,821 --> 02:37:09,160
but I still find it somewhat exciting

3528
02:37:14,671 --> 02:37:11,831
knowing that there is still quite a

3529
02:37:18,571 --> 02:37:14,681
mystery out there I like to dabble with

3530
02:37:20,881 --> 02:37:18,581
it and I suppose for the the foreseeable

3531
02:37:23,970 --> 02:37:20,891
future I'm gonna continue dabbling with

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02:37:26,011 --> 02:37:23,980
it we continue to dabble as well for I

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02:37:28,140 --> 02:37:26,021
don't know coming up on twelve years

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02:37:31,201 --> 02:37:28,150
next month for the power cast never

3535
02:37:32,850 --> 02:37:31,211
missed a beat or an episode you can find

3536
02:37:34,330 --> 02:37:32,860
us on Twitter if you look for the power

3537
02:37:36,730 --> 02:37:34,340
cast you can find

3538
02:37:39,520 --> 02:37:36,740
us on Facebook too official para cast

3539
02:37:41,530 --> 02:37:39,530
fan clubs but remember I don't engage on

3540
02:37:44,110 --> 02:37:41,540
Facebook as much as some people think I

3541
02:37:46,060 --> 02:37:44,120
should we also have another radio show

3542
02:37:48,639 --> 02:37:46,070
it's called after the power cast and

3543
02:37:50,380 --> 02:37:48,649
it's all about the unexpected

3544
02:37:53,130 --> 02:37:50,390
it could be special interviews

3545
02:37:56,620 --> 02:37:53,140
extensions of this show you never know

3546
02:37:59,050 --> 02:37:56,630
what to expect next we give you that we

3547
02:38:00,639 --> 02:37:59,060
give you a version of this show free of

3548
02:38:03,099 --> 02:38:00,649
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3549
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:03,109
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02:38:09,070 --> 02:38:05,930
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02:38:11,490 --> 02:38:09,080
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02:38:14,139 --> 02:38:11,500
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02:38:15,219 --> 02:38:14,149
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02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:15,229
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02:38:21,130 --> 02:38:19,010
we also offer monthly annually five

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02:38:22,660 --> 02:38:21,140
years even lifetime and the five-year in

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02:38:25,780 --> 02:38:22,670
lifetime stuff we give away free stuff

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02:38:28,719 --> 02:38:25,790
to just check our offering plus not ^

3559
02:38:31,420 --> 02:38:28,729
cast come Greg Bishop Don Ecker thank

3560
02:38:32,349 --> 02:38:31,430
you both for joining me this week on the

3561
02:38:34,840 --> 02:38:32,359
para cast

3562
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:34,850
thanks very much gene and they start me

3563
02:38:38,920 --> 02:38:37,010
again Don and we should have an

3564
02:38:41,830 --> 02:38:38,930
appearance on on one of each other shows

3565
02:38:53,821 --> 02:38:41,840
sometime soon yeah as a matter of fact

3566
02:39:00,251 --> 02:38:57,341
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3567
02:39:03,241 --> 02:39:00,261
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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02:39:06,970 --> 02:39:03,251
presentation of making the impossible